CWSGuy406 Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 I personally think WHIP is the best stat to judge a pitcher... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 I personally think WHIP is the best stat to judge a pitcher... WHIP is a fantastic stat but I really prfer anything BaseballProspectus throws at me (Anything EQ, PERA, VORP). I love VORP, I'd marry it if I could. Either that or MLVR...oooo sabermetrics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Most ppl don't remember in 2002, Dan Wright didn't really come on strong until the 2nd half of the season, and that's where he won the vast majority of his 14 games. Against a better offence, he probably would hav had worse numbers, but he was also fairly unlucky as well, since all 3 runs from his 4 hits that he gave up came from homers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan79 Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 14 wins in one season would speak otherwise. He had alot of run support the year he won 14 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Brando, Odalis Perez is goin for a shutout against San Francisco. Afta 8 innings, he's got 10 K's and only 1BB. Given up only 2 hits as well. Thought u mite just want to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Keep marching DW out there and please play Rowand everyday the potential these 2 guys NEVER will show is amazing. Keep waiting for the breakthrough that will never come. :puke That's what they were saying about Carlos Lee this time last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Since in any given inning, the offense is trying to score runs and the pitcher is trying to prevent runs, I'll use ERA as the best single stat for judging the effectiveness of a pitcher. It's not foolproof, but it generally gives you an accurate measuement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Since in any given inning, the offense is trying to score runs and the pitcher is trying to prevent runs, I'll use ERA as the best single stat for judging the effectiveness of a pitcher. It's not foolproof, but it generally gives you an accurate measuement. Heretic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Wow, Navarro really did win 14 or more games 4 times...he was a bum with the Sox..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 The way Danny was pitching, he "deserved" to get tagged for 5-6 ER easy. You can't expect Sox to score 5-6 runs in every road game just to tie it up. Paul Abbott was getting his breaker over, Sox needed Danny to come through for once against a weak-hitting team. He tanked badly. Stop making excuses. Ok maybe that is the case but he didn't. Our darlings Burhle and Garland did, however, get tagged for 5-6 runns the other day. I think Wright held his own pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 How about this... We trade for a 5th starter(or an ace, and move everyone down, or a #2, etc), someone everyone likes, and move Wright to the pen where he is still effective. Mmmkay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Heretic. I had to laugh at that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillSharp Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Wright was a prospect when he came up because he threw 94-97. Against Tampa he was 89-90 mostly. He hasn't been a flame thrower for quite some time. Unless he somehow finds that lost velocity you can stick a fork in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Wright was a prospect when he came up because he threw 94-97. Against Tampa he was 89-90 mostly. He hasn't been a flame thrower for quite some time. Unless he somehow finds that lost velocity you can stick a fork in him. No kidding. Why did Lugo and Crawford take him deep? 88-89mph fastballs in their wheelhouse while ahead in the count, that's why. Haven't we learned this with Gary Glover? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Acquire a better 5th starter.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 the one thing we lack in general on this team is a fireballer. We need one. Koch used to be but isnt anymore. Now opposing teams get the same kind of pitcher everyday and all the bullpen guys are close to the same speed. We need variation. Trade Danny for a minor league AAA fireballer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Well Politte throws some gas and Marte was throwing gas yesterday. Adkins throws hard too. The pen has some hard throwers. No one that throws 100, but not many teams do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillSharp Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Politte hit 101 on the radar yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 depends on what u consider gas... marte was hitting 94, politte does hit 97 your right i missed him, and adkins used to hit upper 90s but doesnt anymore... but look at TB even they've got that dude (too lazy to check who) who was throwing 99mph against us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 did he really, i retract my previous statement if thats the case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bones Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 i think that gun may have been a bit generous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Politte hit 101 on the radar yesterday. That gun was all over the place... In his first inning of work, he was reading 91 on that gun, but Hawk & DJ said the radar at the park had him at 96 on the 91 MPH.... The FSN gun was a about as accurate as DW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 lol i like your countdown cheat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Ya, the gun yesterday was pretty bad. I didn't know what to think. I know late last season when Adkins was up he was throwing about 96. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsSuck1 Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 the one thing we lack in general on this team is a fireballer. We need one. Koch used to be but isnt anymore. Now opposing teams get the same kind of pitcher everyday and all the bullpen guys are close to the same speed. We need variation. Trade Danny for a minor league AAA fireballer You can pitch as hard as you want, but its good movement that gets them. I get what you're saying though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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