Chisoxfn Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 I got a feeling they will be calling a press conference tomorrow or Tuesday to announce the signing of their superstar. It will coincide with the longest home stand which starts off with the almighty Yankees. Not only is it great PR, but its a great way to boost attendance. Plus the sides are so close that you'd think it could get done very quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be Good Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Lets hope your right Jason, that would be awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 im crossing my fingers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 I had the same feeling last week... I hope it gets done monday, it will sett the table for 2.4 MIL in attendence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxShuf Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 get Maggs the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 I am sorry, but the way he's been swinging so far, I don't want him back. 900 OPS hitters are tough to come by, but when we're talking exorbitant 5/70-75 sums, thre is no way that's worth it anymore. Juan Gonzalez might give that to you at 4. If this team wants to go to the series, there are 4-5 holes that have to be filled in. Please don't re-sign Magglio, it would cripple this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 I got a feeling they will be calling a press conference tomorrow or Tuesday to announce the signing of their superstar. It will coincide with the longest home stand which starts off with the almighty Yankees. Not only is it great PR, but its a great way to boost attendance. Plus the sides are so close that you'd think it could get done very quickly. Jas I pray you are right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Brando, you can't have it both ways... You want the fans to come out to the park in record numbers, while you stay home,... And you want the sox to not resign thier best player, and fan favorite at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 The only thing I see wrong with resigning Mags is that ownership would then use that as an excuse to not go out and get more guys - I really hope resigning Mags at 12-13 Million per year wouldn't, and shouldn't, hamstring our GM and our payroll. Other than that, we need to have a franchise player, and Mags is just that. I'm expecting a big year from Mags. In other news, a two run double in the top of the tenth off of the great Joe Borowski gives the Reds a 11-9 lead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Brando, you can't have it both ways... You want the fans to come out to the park in record numbers, while you stay home,... And you want the sox to not resign thier best player, and fan favorite at the same time. Magglio is not a huge casual fan draw. Very few players are. I am not saying trade him now. Wait until the season is over and if he has a monterous season and if he leads Sox to ALCS and if fans come out.....THEN you can sign him to big money. He has nothing to b**** about. He is making 14 Mill, and it's been almost two years since he has performed anywhere close to that value. I just don't understant how fans can applaud when a team signs an overrated, over-30 player for 14-15 Mill when the payroll is barely 60 Mill. It cannot be done in clean conscience. I would never say that Valentin is worth 5 Mill. I would never say that Thomas is worth 10. I would never say Loaiza is worth 10......Why in all that's Holy would I say Magglio is worth 15 over many years? We are already over-paying Koch, Konerko, Valentin and Lee....let's not get carried away here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 i honestly think if a big deal were made about resigning maggs right now, you'd get the fans to come out, you'd create electricity at the ballpark and i think we'd win our share of games. Maggs is in a mini-slump right now, thats hardly grounds to pull the plug on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 i honestly think if a big deal were made about resigning maggs right now, you'd get the fans to come out, you'd create electricity at the ballpark and i think we'd win our share of games. Maggs is in a mini-slump right now, thats hardly grounds to pull the plug on him. and in fact a vote of confidence with the contract would be perhaps what he needs meanwhile he has playing defense like never before I want Mags signed now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Magglio is not a huge casual fan draw. Very few players are. I am not saying trade him now. Wait until the season is over and if he has a monterous season and if he leads Sox to ALCS and if fans come out.....THEN you can sign him to big money. He has nothing to b**** about. He is making 14 Mill, and it's been almost two years since he has performed anywhere close to that value. I just don't understant how fans can applaud when a team signs an overrated, over-30 player for 14-15 Mill when the payroll is barely 60 Mill. It cannot be done in clean conscience. I would never say that Valentin is worth 5 Mill. I would never say that Thomas is worth 10. I would never say Loaiza is worth 10......Why in all that's Holy would I say Magglio is worth 15 over many years? We are already over-paying Koch, Konerko, Valentin and Lee....let's not get carried away here. Tell me how a player who has hit 315+ and a 370 OBP three of the past for years (one of those years he hit a 'crappy' 305) is overrated? Even Baseball Tonight gave Mags his props, calling him a Top 5 Outfielder in all of the majors, behind Vlad, Bonds, and a few others... I also think that the figure of money isnt quite at 15 million, just a hunch. I think it's more around 12-13.5 million a year. Brando, may I ask if he was wanting 13 million a year for five years, would you sign him to that? I certainly would... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 and in fact a vote of confidence with the contract would be perhaps what he needs No, what he needs is better pitch selection and a more realistic evaluation of his own strenghts and weaknesses. Right now he swings like a HOF'er talent -- and he is simply not and has never been outside of 2002. He simply lacks Sosa's vicious power, so the toweing drives Sammy was mis-hitting to RF/RCF/CF back when he busted out in 1998, are merely fly-outs when Maggs hits them. Outs...get it? Like I said....If Magglio has a 1050 OPS season in 2004, leads this team deep into playoffs and Sox get a tremendeous attendance boost in the meantime.......THEN in December Kenny can sit Maggs down and give him 5/70 contract he wants. Right now we should be more worried about a lead-off hitter and a 5th starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Tell me how a player who has hit 315+ and a 370 OBP three of the past for years (one of those years he hit a 'crappy' 305) is overrated? Even Baseball Tonight gave Mags his props, calling him a Top 5 Outfielder in all of the majors, behind Vlad, Bonds, and a few others... I also think that the figure of money isnt quite at 15 million, just a hunch. I think it's more around 12-13.5 million a year. Brando, may I ask if he was wanting 13 million a year for five years, would you sign him to that? I certainly would... I realize it's hopeless. I have covered every conceivable scenario, made a ton of comparisons to Magglio's peers, explained just WHY it would be a bad signing for the Sox in no less than 20 posts in various threads just in the last week. And yet what I get back is the 370 OBP bulls***. Wait until the year is out. Then it will be clear if Magglio is "worth" more than 10 Million to the Sox or not. If not, let him get the 14-15 Mill he wants from the Dodgers or the Mets for all I care. Bring on Reed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Magglio is not a huge casual fan draw. Very few players are. I am not saying trade him now. Wait until the season is over and if he has a monterous season and if he leads Sox to ALCS and if fans come out.....THEN you can sign him to big money. He has nothing to b**** about. He is making 14 Mill, and it's been almost two years since he has performed anywhere close to that value. I just don't understant how fans can applaud when a team signs an overrated, over-30 player for 14-15 Mill when the payroll is barely 60 Mill. It cannot be done in clean conscience. I would never say that Valentin is worth 5 Mill. I would never say that Thomas is worth 10. I would never say Loaiza is worth 10......Why in all that's Holy would I say Magglio is worth 15 over many years? We are already over-paying Koch, Konerko, Valentin and Lee....let's not get carried away here. Here's what happens, if Maggs is signed before the Yanks series: Sox get loads of good PR. If the deal gets done before tuesday, Tuesday is a near sellout, the rest of the yankees series we draw well, and if the Sox continue to play well, and the weather holds up the fans WILL come out in much larger numbers than in recent years. Marinotti won't even be able to write something bad about this deal. The same fans who pay to see sammy at @17MIL on a 90 loss team, are the ones who'd pay to see maggs at 14+MIL on a 90+ win team. The signing shows a comittment to winning, to the average fan. To the more seasoned fan, they see the sox farm system is ripe with young OF'ers, and the signing would be largely a PR move, with maggs only spend part of the contract on the southside. He would likely be moved to a bigger market for an arm. Koch and valentin are off the books next season, konerko's only got one more year?i think? what's lees contract situation@ 9MIL i hardly think he is overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Mags deserves it, and this would be excellent timing. With all that we've been hearing about this, I could see you being right Jason. We need a staple like Mags in this lineup for years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Here's what happens, if Maggs is signed before the Yanks series: Sox get loads of good PR. If the deal gets done before tuesday, Tuesday is a near sellout, the rest of the yankees series we draw well, and if the Sox continue to play well, and the weather holds up the fans WILL come out in much larger numbers than in recent years. Marinotti won't even be able to write something bad about this deal. The same fans who pay to see sammy at @17MIL on a 90 loss team, are the ones who'd pay to see maggs at 14+MIL on a 90+ win team. The signing shows a comittment to winning, to the average fan. To the more seasoned fan, they see the sox farm system is ripe with young OF'ers, and the signing would be largely a PR move, with maggs only spend part of the contract on the southside. He would likely be moved to a bigger market for an arm. Koch and valentin are off the books next season, konerko's only got one more year?i think? what's lees contract situation@ 9MIL i hardly think he is overrated. You make good points, not sure I agree with all of them, but they make sense, especially the PR part. Remember, the market no longer pays the likes of Jeter 20 Mill, so coming up with what Maggs is "worth" is tricky to say the least, even before delving into the the very ugly issue of what Sox can actually afford.... And Lee is definately overrated -- 830 OPS hitters with average speed and defense in LF aren't nearly as valuable as, say, 870 OPS Gold Glove catchers. 9 Mill is a lot of money, and I am sure Jeremy Reed can give you 800 OPS with his eyes closed at much cheaper, with better speed and defense in LF. The reason why Carlos was signed to the 2/15 contract was because Sox hoped at 27, he would finally put it all together, would improve his pitch recognition/selection and thus becomes a monster slugger. That hasn't happened yet, to say the least. He still jams himself way too much and his RF-RCF-hitting skills are non-existent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 I don't think he'll sign anything until he tests the free agent waters, but you can all keep your fingers crossed that I'm wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be Good Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 I don't think he'll sign anything until he tests the free agent waters, but you can all keep your fingers crossed that I'm wrong... Mine will diffentley be crossed, I know he will probably test FA, but us fans must show that we want him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 I realize it's hopeless. I have covered every conceivable scenario, made a ton of comparisons to Magglio's peers, explained just WHY it would be a bad signing for the Sox in no less than 20 posts in various threads just in the last week. And yet what I get back is the 370 OBP bulls***. Wait until the year is out. Then it will be clear if Magglio is "worth" more than 10 Million to the Sox or not. If not, let him get the 14-15 Mill he wants from the Dodgers or the Mets for all I care. Bring on Reed! The problem with waiting until the end of the year to try and resign him is that then the sox might have to start outbidding with the yanks which we all know can't happen. Get this thing done, Jas I hope your right and we have him resigned sometime this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 ya know its really hard to tell if your really a sox fan brando... i mean, you essentially just said that Scammy is better than maggs, and we all know thats just Bulls***. (yeah with a capital B ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 ya know its really hard to tell if your really a sox fan brando... i mean, you essentially just said that Scammy is better than maggs, and we all know thats just Bulls***. (yeah with a capital B ) Sammy will be 36 this year. Right now, I'd probably give a small edge to Maggs. The last couple of years, they've been about equal. Maggs had better line-up protection and stayed healthier and played better defense, while Sammy's offense was a tick better. But in 1998-2001, Sammy blew Maggs away badly. Both in on- and off- the field value. As for whether you or anyone else believes I am a Sox fan....I really couldn't give a flying f*** even if I tried real hard. Ya dig? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 But in 1998-2001, Sammy blew Maggs away badly. Both in on- and off- the field value. Yeah, steroids, cork and rum bottle swinging. '98 was Maggs 1st full season. To be fair you would need to compare it with Sammy's 1st full season, the one he .233 in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 I like Maggs but lets sign him and trade him for Vlad no way I pay him same as VG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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