witesoxfan Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 ya know its really hard to tell if your really a sox fan brando... i mean, you essentially just said that Scammy is better than maggs, and we all know thats just Bulls***. (yeah with a capital B ) Sosa usually hits .280 40 120 .950 OPS with triple digit walks and K's each year. He is very marketable and very likeable(except to those who dislike his hot dogging ass), and brings fans to the park. Maggs usually hits .300 30 110 .850 with more BB's then K's, but never more then 70 or 80. He is likeable and marketable, but does not bring fans to the park. If Sosa is 34, I take him in a second over Maggs. Due to the fact that he is 36, I consider it long and hard, but in the end of the day, I probably take Sosa over Maggs anyways. Maggs is a great player, but unless he has 2002 every year, he is not as good as Sosa IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Sosa usually hits .280 40 120 .950 OPS with triple digit walks and K's each year. He is very marketable and very likeable(except to those who dislike his hot dogging ass), and brings fans to the park. Maggs usually hits .300 30 110 .850 with more BB's then K's, but never more then 70 or 80. He is likeable and marketable, but does not bring fans to the park. If Sosa is 34, I take him in a second over Maggs. Due to the fact that he is 36, I consider it long and hard, but in the end of the day, I probably take Sosa over Maggs anyways. Maggs is a great player, but unless he has 2002 every year, he is not as good as Sosa IMO. The only thing I would change is changing Maggs to 930 OPS and Sosa to 990 -- with Alou, Ramirez and Lee, he should have a nice line-up protection for once. Also, Sammy will be 36 later this year. And you're absolutely right about Sammy's vastly superior off-field value. Hell, Cubs outdraw team on the ROAD -- and a lot of it originated with Sammy in 98. Finally people point to Sosa's 17 Mill per....Guess what? He signed it back in 2001, coming off a fantastic year; the market was VERY generous back then too, which is no longer the case. So the figure is misleading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Hope your right... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Pardon me for having a brain cramp and being dumb. How is Slugging Percentage determined? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 I agree, the timing would be perfect, would get the town buzzing about the sox at just the right time, maybe our management will actually show some brains and get this done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 This question of whether to resign Maggs has been hashed and rehashed over and over. I guess we'll see what happens, and live with. For better or worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Who would you rather for $14 million a year? Bartolo Colon or Maggilo Ordonez? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Who would you rather for $14 million a year? Bartolo Colon or Maggilo Ordonez? That is a very tough call but I go with Maggs simply because he is a fan favorite whereas Colon wasn't around long enough to gather the same following someone like Burhle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 That is a very tough call but I go with Maggs simply because he is a fan favorite whereas Colon wasn't around long enough to gather the same following someone like Burhle. You could really go either way these two. Colon is almost one of a kind of a power pitcher that can easily pitch a complete game. When he just uses his fastballs and nasty stuff, he's a very dominating pitcher. Helps the bullpen out tremendously as well. Maggs is the fan favourite in the South Side, but I still think when most ppl think White Sox, they think Frank Thomas, not Maggilo Ordonez, but that's just me. Supply and demand wise, it's much easier to get a Maggs type of outfielder, than a Colon type of pitcher. But the backlash of lettin Maggs leave could be so great, it could hav big implications in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 That is a very tough call but I go with Maggs simply because he is a fan favorite whereas Colon wasn't around long enough to gather the same following someone like Burhle. Maggs easily on this one. Colon only plays every 5th game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Maggs easily on this one. Colon only plays every 5th game. I was aware Colon was on the mound every fifth game. Not so sure he played every 5th game.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Maggs easily on this one. Colon only plays every 5th game. But does Maggs affect a game like Colon did? Maggs could go 4-4 with 4 Homers and we still could lose if we didn't pitch good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 I think the main issue here pertains to how much money JR & Co. are willing to commit to the team's payroll. Is Mags worth 13-14 million? Not if the team insists on keeping payroll around $60 mil. And even if the payroll is increased, you can get a better defensive player with good offensive numbers for a third of what Mags will cost. If JR is willing to spend $75-$80 million, then you can give Mags enough to keep him. Otherwise, signing Mags pretty much guarantees mediocre(or fluky teams chock full of rookies) teams for 5-6 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 But does Maggs affect a game like Colon did? Maggs could go 4-4 with 4 Homers and we still could lose if we didn't pitch good. Colonn could pitch a two run complete game and we could lose too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MnSoxFan Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Pitching, pitching and more pitching. That will win you a division just about any year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 That is a very tough call Tough call?! WTF.... Bartolo is a 32yo, overweight, near-4.00 ERA pitcher away from weak-hitting ALC. He is not worth 10 Mill, let alone 14. Last year you saw why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 19, 2004 Author Share Posted April 19, 2004 I'd take Colon because we have a very very strong crop of outfielders. Plus I think you can sign guys like Gonzalez, EVerett, etc to very affordable contracts and get not near the production of Maggs, but quality production. However, I'm not saying I'd go that way. I'd try to get some other less important contracts off the books, for example, paying any first baseman that isn't the best in the game or one of the 3 best 8 million a year. First base is a position that you can easily find production and therefor when you have a limited budget, I don't believe it is wise to spend so much money their. 14 mill for a stud RF thats just in the beginning of his prime...ya, I'd do it, as long as they made the necessary shifts. Of course the Sox would also have to step up their payroll a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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