SoxFan562004 Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 here's some items Gammons mentioned about the White Sox in his latest article... Seems like he may be doing a 180 on his pre-season comments.... "The White Sox. What we so often forget is that raw numbers like run differential said the White Sox should have won the division last year. Making up for the loss of Bartolo Colon is essential, but Esteban Loaiza has come out throwing his cutter close to the efficiency of '04. Jon Garland and Scott Schoeneweis are off to good starts. GM Ken Williams hopes Schoeneweis, armed with a new cutter and changeup, is this year's Loaiza. They have a lot of thunder, and if the bullpen holds together, what manager Ozzie Guillen has brought is daily energy to a team that in the past was a momentum team. Don't think it hasn't been noticed that White Sox phenom center fielder Jeremy Reed is hitting over .400 at Triple-A Charlotte, after hitting .373 on the way up last year. He could give them some left-handed balance to a right-handed lineup. Several agents thought Garret Anderson's four-year, $48 million deal was light, but Anderson has never been a money person and wanted to stay with a very successful team where he is the unspoken heart and soul. "That should impact Troy Glaus if he wants to stay there," says one agent. "It also impacts Magglio Ordonez (whom Williams is trying to lock up) and Nomar Garciaparra." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 IMO, Gammons is not a source that should be listened to, unless it involves trading, because what he says is recycled stuff. We knew all of the s*** that he said about the Sox about 2 weeks ago. He is pretty much Captian Obvious without the cape and suit. I mean... They have a lot of thunder, and if the bullpen holds together, what manager Ozzie Guillen has brought is daily energy to a team that in the past was a momentum team. ...uh, duh? (BTW, what I mean by he should pretty much only be listened to regarding trading is that you then find out who your team is interested in...not saying that the proposed trades he brings up are entirely accurate or that they will happen.) And I highly, highly doubt Anaheim resigns Glaus. They have a top 3B prospect coming up(Dallas something...I'm quite sure his first name is Dallas though), and I wouldn't be surprised to see that money that was spent on Glaus this year is put to other needs, like another starter, an upgrade at SS, another reliever, resigning guys in house, or something else. I have no idea where Glaus would go, just that he would probably go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Ya, Dallas McPharson. I assume Glaus is gone as well, plus the Angels lose Sele's and Appiers contracts and I think then they will be more quite next offseason, but they will add some more pitching, mark my words on that. Pitching is what may hold them out of the playoffs or series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Ya, Dallas McPharson. I assume Glaus is gone as well, plus the Angels lose Sele's and Appiers contracts and I think then they will be more quite next offseason, but they will add some more pitching, mark my words on that. Pitching is what may hold them out of the playoffs or series. I knew it was Dallas something. Thanks for clearing that up. I'm not sure pitching keeps them out of the playoffs though. IMHO, Oakland is keeping them out of the playoffs right now. If Oakland plays well enough, Anaheim is out and they have to hope to the heavens above that they can get lucky enough to get a Wild Card again and get in that way. If Oakland falters, Anaheim is in, because there is no other team good enough in the AL West to compete with Anaheim outside of Oakland. Basically, they have the team to get to the playoffs, but Oakland is better then them and has the better shot at getting to the playoffs. The AL West is Oakland's to lose, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Think of it this way though. Anaheim or Oakland. Anaheim's lineup is way better then Oaklands and very balanced (speed, not many k's, power, everything). However, Oakland has its pitching and the Angels have a 3 man rotation basically cause Ortiz and Lackey are eh. I don't think Wash right now is a good 2 and Escobar has only pitched partial games (half the time he looks awesome, other half awful). Colon however has been brilliant and is a big time playoff starter. Then their pen has been bad, minus Frankie and Percy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Think of it this way though. Anaheim or Oakland. Anaheim's lineup is way better then Oaklands and very balanced (speed, not many k's, power, everything). However, Oakland has its pitching and the Angels have a 3 man rotation basically cause Ortiz and Lackey are eh. I don't think Wash right now is a good 2 and Escobar has only pitched partial games (half the time he looks awesome, other half awful). Colon however has been brilliant and is a big time playoff starter. Then their pen has been bad, minus Frankie and Percy. I can agree with that very much. I do think that Anaheim is about 1 real good starter away from doing a s***load of damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Ya, which is why I was puzzled when their was all that talk about them moving Washburn. I hope somehow Moreno finds a way to grab another starter becuase their payroll will be quite a bit lower next season. They have quite a good farm system too, just don't happen to have any pitchers ready yet. Although Ervin Santana and Bobby Jenks are freaking studs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 I think what you need to keep in mind in regards to these national writers is that they aren't writing to inform Sox fans, but baseball fans in general. what we know about the White Sox, 90% of the readers may not and the same can be said the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Garret Anderson has been my favorite non-Sox player in the last 3 years. Him and Bobby Abreu have been underrated for a while now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 I think what you need to keep in mind in regards to these national writers is that they aren't writing to inform Sox fans, but baseball fans in general. what we know about the White Sox, 90% of the readers may not and the same can be said the other way around. Well said, that's what I was thinking when reading Gammons' stuff. It's basic stuff for us, but useful for fans of other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 IMO, Gammons is not a source that should be listened to, unless it involves trading, because what he says is recycled stuff. We knew all of the s*** that he said about the Sox about 2 weeks ago. He is pretty much Captian Obvious without the cape and suit. I mean... ...uh, duh? (BTW, what I mean by he should pretty much only be listened to regarding trading is that you then find out who your team is interested in...not saying that the proposed trades he brings up are entirely accurate or that they will happen.) And I highly, highly doubt Anaheim resigns Glaus. They have a top 3B prospect coming up(Dallas something...I'm quite sure his first name is Dallas though), and I wouldn't be surprised to see that money that was spent on Glaus this year is put to other needs, like another starter, an upgrade at SS, another reliever, resigning guys in house, or something else. I have no idea where Glaus would go, just that he would probably go. Hey bub, theres only ONE Captain Obvious around here!! Don't forget it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted April 20, 2004 Share Posted April 20, 2004 I think what you need to keep in mind in regards to these national writers is that they aren't writing to inform Sox fans, but baseball fans in general. what we know about the White Sox, 90% of the readers may not and the same can be said the other way around. Exactly. We always complain about not getting enough national media attention. Gammons, though he may not be the most reliable source when it comes to trades, etc.....he's a great source for national media attention for our Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInBoston Posted April 20, 2004 Share Posted April 20, 2004 but Esteban Loaiza has come out throwing his cutter close to the efficiency of '04 Doesn't he mean 2003? Or is he going senile? Senile I guess.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted April 20, 2004 Share Posted April 20, 2004 IMO, Gammons is not a source that should be listened to, unless it involves trading, because what he says is recycled stuff. We knew all of the s*** that he said about the Sox about 2 weeks ago. He is pretty much Captian Obvious without the cape and suit. I mean... ...uh, duh? (BTW, what I mean by he should pretty much only be listened to regarding trading is that you then find out who your team is interested in...not saying that the proposed trades he brings up are entirely accurate or that they will happen.) And I highly, highly doubt Anaheim resigns Glaus. They have a top 3B prospect coming up(Dallas something...I'm quite sure his first name is Dallas though), and I wouldn't be surprised to see that money that was spent on Glaus this year is put to other needs, like another starter, an upgrade at SS, another reliever, resigning guys in house, or something else. I have no idea where Glaus would go, just that he would probably go. I dunno, this is the first I've heard of theis Reed fella.He sounds like he might be good. I do agree that this is some good pub for the Sox, even if we already knew it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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