witesoxfan Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 I think people got spoiled with his 2001 season. At 21-22, he wasn't supposed to be that good. Alas, there is a reason why Unit, Kevin Brown, etc didn't win 20 games at 24-25. Right now, Mark is not even close to being "there". Personally, I don't think he ever will get there. I can see him being a guy that you want pitching for you, and you even want him pitching for you in big games...you just don't view him as an ace. Basically, if he is your ace, you can start thinking about the offseason. A solid #2 or a very good #3 pitcher. He could become an ace, but he'd have to improve a hell of a lot in a short amount of time(2-3 years or so). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 I think you want to view Buehrle as Jamie Moyer, but having figured it out earlier in his career than Moyer did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSF Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 7 innings, 0 runs, 2 BB, 6 K's. If that's a decline, he put it off for a night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 7 innings, 0 runs, 2 BB, 6 K's. If that's a decline, he put it off for a night. Does this thread have to get revived ever good start MB has??? Enough already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Does this thread have to get revived ever good start MB has??? Enough already Well Rex you know it will get revived everytime he has a bad start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Well Rex you know it will get revived everytime he has a bad start. Exactly. I call it payback for the "I told you so" crowd, who is conviently no where to be seen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Well Rex you know it will get revived everytime he has a bad start. Rex, it really doesn't need to be revived, and I wish it didn't. It was a stupid thread to start with, designed to start controversy, IMO. The author of the thread is lurking now though, so perhaps he will come out of shadows. I hope not though. He's better off writing about the Schaumburg Flyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Exactly. I call it payback for the "I told you so" crowd, who is conviently no where to be seen... No Mike, he's lurking. He needs some material for White Sox Times. He ignored Buehrle's excellent 2nd half last year, but hey ... why deal in facts when it's easier to just be controversial for the sake of being controversial? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 No Mike, he's lurking. He needs some material for White Sox Times. He ignored Buehrle's excellent 2nd half last year, but hey ... why deal in facts when it's easier to just be controversial for the sake of being controversial? Actually it wasn't just a "He" thing. There are a solid bunch of posters who are only around when the team it bad, and revel in the doom and gloom. That is more who I was referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Actually it wasn't just a "He" thing. There are a solid bunch of posters who are only around when the team it bad, and revel in the doom and gloom. That is more who I was referring to. To those people I say, why be a fan? I understand all about being a realist and not looking at everything through rose colored glasses, etc. etc. But there's a lot to be said for being optimistic. The team hasn't hit its stride and is in first place. The GM is talking about being ultra aggressive in terms of improving the club. None of the players seem to have any negative issues with a rookie manager whom one guy on this site labeled a "buffoon". The clubhouse atmosphere seems to be pretty good. Enthusiasm and intensity have been good, for the most part. I know it's a White Sox fan's birth right to be caustic, but I'll take the sunny side of the street for now. I'm cautiously optimistic about this year's team. How's that for going out on a ledge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Buehrle!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 14 consecutive scoreless innings against the likes of Baltimore and Minnesota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 14 consecutive scoreless innings against the likes of Baltimore and Minnesota. Great performance today by Mark...I'm happy I got to witness it first hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 Hey, I got an idea. Let's lock this topic up until September, and when we bring it up then, we will all point fingers and laugh as Buehrle locks up his 17th win of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 14 consecutive scoreless innings against the likes of Baltimore and Minnesota. You know what that is? I'll tell ya. MONEY!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 Great performance today by Mark...I'm happy I got to witness it first hand... Glad to say I was there too with a few buddies. Section 132 Row 16. The game kicked some major ass today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxShuf Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 Put some confidence into the fans and hopefully, and most importantly our bats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotop Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 Nice seats SFF, I was right by you in section 133 row 22. And yes, today's game DID kick ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 And now we have today's response by the Buehrle detractors... *crickets* *tumbleweeds* *blackhole* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 And now we have today's response by the Buehrle detractors... *crickets* *tumbleweeds* *blackhole* I was hoping you would resurrect this thread after yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 I was hoping you would resurrect this thread after yesterday. I can't take any credit, someone beat me to this thread yesterday. I was just trying to present the other side of the story I just want to see who will stand up when things are going good, instead of just when things are bad. The silence speaks volumes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 I don't think anyone expected him to lose every game. I do not think his fans are expecting him to win every game. But let's see at the end of the season what happens to his stats. Of course then we can argue which stats matter. If his ERA is up, his fans wil claim it's W-Ls that matter If his Wins are down, his fans will point to ERA. But to debate this after every start is a Soxtalk tradition, carry on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 Buehrle got the standing ovation Sunday... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 I don't think anyone expected him to lose every game. I do not think his fans are expecting him to win every game. But let's see at the end of the season what happens to his stats. Of course then we can argue which stats matter. If his ERA is up, his fans wil claim it's W-Ls that matter If his Wins are down, his fans will point to ERA. But to debate this after every start is a Soxtalk tradition, carry on And I respect you for staying true to your opinion and stance Tex. I think you have been the only one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 17, 2004 Share Posted May 17, 2004 Buehrle got the standing ovation Sunday... And a well deserved one it was. I have seen Marks last two starts where he has thrown 13 2/3 scoreless innings and gotten 26 runs of support. Mark might have to buy us season tickets to keep this up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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