Gload at 3B?

[witesoxfan]

I would not mind that at all that's if the tigers take some of that hefty salery of his. I still have faith in shingo closing for us. Like people say, give a guy a chance first. Crede will probably put it together soon. I said this before, Crede reminds me of Konerko. They would get cold before/after the all-star break, then they will get hot before/after the all-star break. I would say Crede catches firse after the all-star break this year whereas Konerko gets alittle cold by then.

I'm all for giving Shingo his shot, just not as closer.

 

And if we trade Crede and Cotts for Huff, a trade of Lee to LA for Perez is essential. Sort of like love and marraige...you can't have one without the other(though even that isn't entirely true...if we traded Lee to LA for Perez, we would not necessarily have to trade Crede and Cotts for Huff...just what I would want to happen).

[BrandoFan]

I think LA accepts Lee-for-Perez, and you have wanted to get Perez for quite osme time, have you not?

 

Perez is making 5 Mill this year, and if he has the kind of a year I envision (3.60 ERA), he'll be demanding Ponson money. He's as good as gone after 2004 if he's traded to the Sox -- he'll get the money elsewhere.

 

Plus, the Dodgers are in the playoff hunt, they might just kick some major ass. Milton Bradley pick up was solid if nothing else.

[witesoxfan]

Perez is making 5 Mill this year, and if he has the kind of a year I envision (3.60 ERA), he'll be demanding Ponson money. He's as good as gone after 2004 if he's traded to the Sox -- he'll get the money elsewhere.

 

Plus, the Dodgers are in the playoff hunt, they might just kick some major ass.    Milton Bradley pick up was solid if nothing else.

We won't need Perez for much more then this year.

 

The thing I hadn't though of is where LA would put Lee. Roberts is in LF right now(and he picked up his 13th SB today), Bradley in CF, Encarnacion in RF, and Green at 1B, and they don't have the DH in the NL(duh)...where do you put Lee?

 

Maybe LA isn't an option in the first place.

[BrandoFan]

We won't need Perez for much more then this year. 

 

The thing I hadn't though of is where LA would put Lee.  Roberts is in LF right now(and he picked up his 13th SB today), Bradley in CF, Encarnacion in RF, and Green at 1B, and they don't have the DH in the NL(duh)...where do you put Lee?

 

Maybe LA isn't an option in the first place.

I liked your Delgado idea -- he's not hitting well and Toronto ain't finishing above 4th place, soo they might not ask a lot given his salary.

 

Lee + ____ for Delgado? Where would he play, though?

 

Can he play 3B?

[BrandoFan]

Plus, he hasnt been fully healthy,(the bad knee) so they might not be asking much. He will be moved.

Man, if they could ever take Konerko and prospect for him, Sox can move Hurt to 1B and man is Maggs-Hurt-Delgado scary or what?!

 

Mercy!

[Be Good]

I'm sorry but no, Crede will have a fine ML carrer as far as i'm concerned.

 

And we dont need to panic by replacing him with Gload after a month.

[CWSGuy406]

Crede has had two walkoff game winning hits/sacrifices. He's a team player. He brings an above average glove to the third base position.

 

He didn't ground into a double play, he got an RBI and didn't get himself out, and he kept the inning alive for us to win the game today.

 

Not that I'm comparing these two (histories or present), but A-Rod didn't start off too hot either...

[Be Good]

Crede is our 3rd baseman.

Ditto Vincet. Ditto.

[soxfan420]

Because he has the tools to be a solid 3B and has been swinging well in the lmiited time he's been given.  He deserves to be in the line-up against RHP -- and it can't be Konerko's spot because Sox are auditioning him for other teams.

 

Crede has lost the job and unless he shortens the swing, he won't get it back.

 

Ty it once and if it works stick to it.  If it doesn't, then Crede will be back out there, killing the Sox with his bat.

better shot of him playing 2nd or SS moving uribe, valentine to 3b

[CWSGuy406]

I also want to wait on Crede - he's fine, once he shortens that swing. He brings, as I said in my previous post, a solid glove, and he will hit.

 

Saying that, woukd you guys do this trade - I would certainly would, let me tell you why after I put it out there:

 

Crede, Cotts, Lee, Possibly one more lower-tier prospect.

 

for

 

Crawford and Huff.

 

It would solve our need for a leadoff hitter (though his OBP could use improving) as well as bring a solid lefty into the lineup.

 

Either way, I personally like our team as is, I think we could use a solid, shutdown righty in the bullpen, another starter (possibly one that's already in the system, Rauch, Diaz, Cotts), and another lefty bat.

 

If Seattle fades, I expect to see Freddy Garcia and possibly Randy Winn on the block.

 

Am I off here? Please, I'm serious, if you think I am, tell me why.

[SkokieSox]

I skimmed this thread and didn't see anyone mention that Gload has experience at third and has played it pretty well. Not saying he should take Crede's role permanently, but it isn't out of the question to start him there some days. Lefty or no lefty, if you can play third you can play third. He's obviously overcome the disadvantage of a lefty being at that position. I bet he would play very well if we gave him some time there. Again though, Crede is our third baseman, but I don't have a problem with Gload getting more playing time, and that being one of the spots at times.

[witesoxfan]

I liked your Delgado idea -- he's not hitting well and Toronto ain't finishing above 4th place, soo they might not ask a lot given his salary.

 

Lee + ____ for Delgado?  Where would he play, though? 

 

Can he play 3B?

Konerko, Lee, Koch(about $20 mill combined), for Delgado($18 mill), plus a decent starter(Pat Hentgen? Miguel Batista? Josh Towers? all would look decent as our #5), and we bring up Reed, our lineup is...

 

Harris/Uribe - 2B

Reed - LF/Rowand - CF

Maggs - RF

Delgado - 1B(IMO, he's a better hitter then Frank, so putting him at 4 makes more sense then Thomas at 4, plus we get a better balance like this IMO)

Thomas - DH

Valentin - SS

Rowand - CF/Reed - LF

Olivo/Alomar - C

Crede - 3B

 

Rotation of Buehrle, Loaiza, Garland, we'll say Hentgen, and Scho...and we can still trade for an ace too. Bullpen loses a little depth, but IMO actually gets better. If we could get Lightenberg/Lopez/Speier from Toronto too, it makes it even better(I'll say we don't though, because it would be unlikely we would get one of those 3, just because Toronto would practically be giving us players...but in all reality, we could get one), so I'll say the pen is something like Marte, Politte, Shingo, Adkins, Cotts, Jackson, and Wright, with Wunsch ready to take over if anyone gets into a rut.

 

If we ever did get Huff(I still wouldn't mind him), he'd bat in the #6 spot, and everyone would just move down a spot from there. But at that point, Huff would be unnecessary. We would have the LH bat we needed, and holy hell is Delgado a LH bat. He can only bust 4 homers out for you in a game like he did last year.

 

At some point later, I'd trade for an ace(or at the very least, a postseason starter) somehow, someway(RJ/Kipper/Joel Piniero/Moyer/etc, etc).

 

 

Works for me, works financially...hell, let's do it right now.

[witesoxfan]

I also want to wait on Crede - he's fine, once he shortens that swing.  He brings, as I said in my previous post, a solid glove, and he will hit.

 

Saying that, woukd you guys do this trade - I would certainly would, let me tell you why after I put it out there:

 

Crede, Cotts, Lee, Possibly one more lower-tier prospect.

 

for

 

Crawford and Huff.

 

It would solve our need for a leadoff hitter (though his OBP could use improving) as well as bring a solid lefty into the lineup.

 

Either way, I personally like our team as is, I think we could use a solid, shutdown righty in the bullpen, another starter (possibly one that's already in the system, Rauch, Diaz, Cotts), and another lefty bat.

 

If Seattle fades, I expect to see Freddy Garcia and possibly Randy Winn on the block. 

 

Am I off here?  Please, I'm serious, if you think I am, tell me why.

I do it, but I don't know if Tampa does.

[soxfan420]

but if he could become a decent 3B, it would be an asset.

you're not just wrong, you are stupid.

[BrandoFan]

Crede is our 3rd baseman.

 

Sadly.

[BrandoFan]

you're not just wrong, you are stupid.

That I am. What do you have against stupid people, 420?

[GoodAsGould]

i dont know why everyone is so down on carlos lee and wanting to trade him away.... he is going to start hitting the ball.... and he has actually made some good outfield plays which are encouraging and then seeing him bulldoze that guy at 2nd base during the first series against the yankees was fun to watch 2

[witesoxfan]

i dont know why everyone is so down on carlos lee and wanting to trade him away.... he is going to start hitting the ball.... and he has actually made some good outfield plays which are encouraging and then seeing him bulldoze that guy at 2nd base during the first series against the yankees was fun to watch 2 

$6 mill this year, $9 mill this year, for most likely .300 30 100 .850 if we're lucky. The Cards are getting about that from Reggie Sanders...for $3 mill a year.

 

Get what we're saying here?

[BrandoFan]

Crede, Cotts, Lee, Possibly one more lower-tier prospect.

 

for

 

Crawford and Huff.

 

Huff is cheap and productive. Has trade value at the ASB because of his inexpensive salary.

 

Crawford ain't going nowhere. A cheap GG-caliber LF, with 70 SB potential and most likely a good OPS a few years down the road? Tampa already has trouble drawing, without having to give up one of its most intersting players.

 

Crede's about to turn 26 and his stock has PLUMMETED since 2002 almost as much as Konerko's has.

 

Lee is gonna make 9 Mill next year; in 2004 (as opposed to 2001) it IS a lot of money.

 

I am guess, they'll offer Huff for Cotts AND Crede.

[BrandoFan]

Konerko, Lee, Koch(about $20 mill combined), for Delgado($18 mill),

 

Konerko is making almost 9 Mill next year. Ditto Lee. Koch has NO value.

 

Delgado is a FA after 2004, no?

 

Toronto knows Delgado, bad knee and all, is one of the most coveted players out there. They're gonna have to take on salary, true, but they're not just gonna give him away for nothing.

 

And, yes, I would do this impossible deal in a heartbeat.

[DBAHO]

Delgado will definitely be moved, I just don't know if Toronto would take back Paul Konerko in a trade. They already hav Josh Phelps to play 1B if Delgado is moved and they could promote their stud outfield prospect to be their new DH. If anythin they would want young pitching, u know how much J.P Riccardi wants that. He'd want Cotts and mayb Honel in any deal.

[BrandoFan]

He'd want Cotts and mayb Honel in any deal.

 

Exactly. It would be along the lines of:

 

Cotts + Honel + Lee (because of talent) + Konerko (favor to Sox) = Delgado

 

Before you say Toronto comes out ahead of the deal by 4 Mill.....They're still responsible for their salaries in 2005, and while I can see them dealing Lee for even more prospect value, Konerko they had no use for and wouldn't get much in return. So for them this deal is fair even though it sucks for the Sox.

 

It's not gonna happen.

[witesoxfan]

Exactly.    It would be along the lines of:

 

Cotts + Honel + Lee (because of talent) + Konerko (favor to Sox) = Delgado

 

Before you say Toronto comes out ahead of the deal by 4 Mill.....They're still responsible for their salaries in 2005, and while I can see them dealing Lee for even more prospect value, Konerko they had no use for and wouldn't get much in return. So for them this deal is fair even though it sucks for the Sox.

 

It's not gonna happen.

I do that deal, especially if we could get a decent reliever in return too.

 

I hate to give up Honel, but I've let it be known several times on here that I am almost always in favor of trading the future for the present. You NEVER let a good opportunity get away. 2003 was a good opportunity, however, 1997 was not. The 2003 team was much stronger then the 1997 team, even though the 97 team was only 3 games out at the time of the White Flag trade, while the 2003 team was 7 games out at the All-Star break.

 

Delgado gives us a huge-ass bat in the middle of the lineup from the LH side of the plate, and that was the one thing we needed in 2000 to almost put us over the top(another good starter would have been nice as well). Go out and get Joel Piniero from Seattle too, and I am happy as hell about the team.

[knightni]

Brando ... I think you're arguing just to argue.

THERE'S a shocking newsflash.

[BrandoFan]

I do that deal, especially if we could get a decent reliever in return too. 

 

I hate to give up Honel, but I've let it be known several times on here that I am almost always in favor of trading the future for the present.  You NEVER let a good opportunity get away.  2003 was a good opportunity, however, 1997 was not.  The 2003 team was much stronger then the 1997 team, even though the 97 team was only 3 games out at the time of the White Flag trade, while the 2003 team was 7 games out at the All-Star break.

 

Delgado gives us a huge-ass bat in the middle of the lineup from the LH side of the plate, and that was the one thing we needed in 2000 to almost put us over the top(another good starter would have been nice as well).  Go out and get Joel Piniero from Seattle too, and I am happy as hell about the team.

I might or might not, depending on Delgado's knee. Sox get Delgado as well as 4 Mill to spend on REALLY good pitcher around July.

 

On the other hand, Cotts AND Honel are the FUTURE of this franchise. We already got burned on Kip Wells, and these two are arguably as talented as Kipster is.

 

If I am Toronto and I am taking on salaries (esp Konerko), I sure as hell demand BOTH. I wish we could throw them a Wing or a Pacheco, but I am afraid to the rest of the baseball, those are just B-talent prospects who have limited value.

 

Delgado is gone after 2004.....