Quest for Noah's ark

[sox4lifeinPA]

All right here is the deal.  Steff-Alex let it go.  I am going to reopen this thread, because there is a lot of good stuff in it, and I think it should go on.  If guys want to argue, please keep it PMs.

completely agree. good call. That's why I stopped it when I did.

 

thread should look nicer again, too.

[sox4lifeinPA]

Alex and Steff need to have a jello wrestling match to settle this once and for all.

 

I am now accepting donations to cover Alex's airfare.

 

Steff will be kidnapped from work when she least expects it.

 

Cmon, whattya say?

eww.

 

funny though.

 

I'll pass. things are fine.

[Steff]

Alex and Steff need to have a jello wrestling match to settle this once and for all.

 

I am now accepting donations to cover Alex's airfare.

 

Steff will be kidnapped from work when she least expects it.

 

Cmon, whattya say?

[sox4lifeinPA]

Sure, it's natural to feel under the gun when different people seem to gang up on you over certain things.  You either keep trying to have civil dialog (which I think you have reasonably done), you decide to stop the discussion, or you can go the inflamatory invective route - a little thing we like to call "going all Izzy4E" around here.

 

But the CW bit you posted in your response where you claimed you felt mocked was JUST his compliment to you on your being "missional" versus "missions" post, and I didn't get it at all from that perspective.  (And for that matter, I admit the nuance was lost on me at first but I get what you were saying - and I suspect "missional" is a made up word).

 

If you ever sence any derision or mockery of "sacred" things in my writing, you're probably not far off the mark but it is usually the institutions or or tenet or their hypocracy that is the target for me.  I don't care to personally attack anyone but I like to question beliefs I think are odd or at odds with other internal or external beliefs.

 

I staunchly defend the rights of all to practice religion (or not) as they see fit, SO LONG as it does not impinge on the rights of others to do the same.  That is what causes conflict for me and puts me at odds with Evangelical or missionary Christianity.  "Going forth and preaching to all nations" does impact the way others pursue their spirituality, and at the same it is at the heart of some valid mainstream Christian movements so there is a difficult dilemma here.  Lots of people think the Evangelicals should mind ther own business and worry about their own salvation, find the self-righteousness to be tiresome, and think Christian missionaries have been nailing lifts onto the feet of the natives for far too long.  At the same time, the Great Commission is central to Evangelical/missionary Christian traditions, and the call is pretty much there in black and white in the Gospels.  So there you go.

jim, I didn't mean to quote that cwsox comment when I said what I said. (I know he was being complimentary..) It's just hard to refute every little thing people said, and I think I've done a lot of growing from what has been discussed so far. anyway, I appreciate the things you have to say, just don't call me "bible bowl" because I may not know everything, like vince, but I don't just regurgitate what I've seriously taken time to study and understand.

 

we cool? good.

 

love this thread

[sox4lifeinPA]

honestly, she'd kick my ass. but we'll keep that on the DL.

[southsider2k5]

Alex and Steff need to have a jello wrestling match to settle this once and for all.

 

I am now accepting donations to cover Alex's airfare.

 

Steff will be kidnapped from work when she least expects it.

 

Cmon, whattya say?

Being probably the only person who has met both Steff and PA, let me just say & :puke respectively

[Wong & Owens]

honestly, she'd kick my ass. but we'll keep that on the DL. 

Not necessarily. We'd give you a Mexican Wrestler mask, and a cool special move. The only way Steff would defeat you is if Southsider ran in and hit you with a chair while you weren't looking.

[sox4lifeinPA]

Not necessarily.  We'd give you a Mexican Wrestler mask, and a cool special move.  The only way Steff would defeat you is if Southsider ran in and hit you with a chair while you weren't looking.

knowing that bastard, he'd do it...

[southsider2k5]

knowing that bastard, he'd do it...  

Damn right I would

[Steff]

Damn right I would

Paaaallleeaaasseee....

[southsider2k5]

OK one last footnote on the battle royal. I deleted both of the off-shoot threads. Neither served a useful purpose, and it wouldn't be right to delete one, and not the otherone.

 

All right, back to your regularly scheduled debate

 

Signed

your friendly admin guy

[kapkomet]

OK one last footnote on the battle royal.  I deleted both of the off-shoot threads.  Neither served a useful purpose, and it wouldn't be right to delete one, and not the otherone. 

 

All right, back to your regularly scheduled debate

 

Signed

your friendly admin guy

Friendly? You're a schmuck.

[southsider2k5]

Friendly?  You're a schmuck.

Yeah but I am a friendly schmuck :fyou

[FlaSoxxJim]

jim, I didn't mean to quote that cwsox comment when I said what I said. It's just hard to refute every little thing people said, and I think I've done a lot of growing from what has been discussed so far. anyway, I appreciate the things you have to say, just don't call me "bible bowl" because I may not know everything, like vince, but I don't just regurgitate what I've seriously taken time to study and understand.

 

we cool? good.

 

love this thread

You and me are 5x5, no worries.

 

The "Bible Bowl" quip was directed pretty much at everyone here who is not Vince. Let me try something.

 

The other day, I read a bit about Herman Wouk's new book on the decision to stop work on the Texas supercollider and end the search for the Higgs Boson (the "God Partocle"). There was actually another bit about the book on NPR this morning as well. Any way, a lifelong friend of mine (we grew up together, sleepovers, did science fair projects together, played in garage bands together, he was my Best man...) who lives out in Cali has got a brain the size of Studebaker. He studied astrophysics at Berkley as an undergrad and then did his doctorate work on ultra-low-temp particle mechanics at Stanford. Like I say, he's pretty sharp. Any way, I have a "Popular Science" kind of knowledge about quantum mechanics so I figured I'd give the boy a call and learn a little something about Higgs and mass and whatnot. We'll my head started to hurt after 2 minutes and I grasped the smallest bit of what he had to offfer on the subject. And to get even that, my buddy had to talk down at my level and spoon feed me the stuff. Bottom line, he's an authority on the subject and I am a not.

 

To make me feel slightly better, I do the same to him when he calls me with questions of a biological nature.

 

But the point is that CW is THE sole trained authority here on scriptural scholarship and we're all working with the "popular science" level of knowledge. That is the truth. The problem is that scriptural authority and relogious conviction have little to do with one another. And of course it is a basic truth for Christians that you don't have to be a scriptural authority to gain salvation. That's where the alogy to my quantum mechanics analogy breaks down. I can't build a supercollider with the fraction of a fraction of the scientific authority on the subject I have. But according to their basic beliefs Christians can gain salvation with a fraction of a fraction of the scientific authority that CW and other trained scriptural scholars posess. That gives CW no more authority than anyone else to tell us who's on the right path, but it certainly gives him the expertise to tell us we're full of it in terms of our critical understanding of the scriptures when we are.

[kapkomet]

I agree with that 100%

[sox4lifeinPA]

You and me are 5x5, no worries.

 

The "Bible Bowl" quip was directed pretty much at everyone here who is not Vince.  Let me try something.

 

The other day, I read a bit about Herman Wouk's new book on the decision to stop work on the Texas supercollider and end the search for the Higgs Boson (the "God Partocle").  There was actually another bit about the book on NPR this morning as well.  Any way, a lifelong friend of mine (we grew up together, sleepovers, did science fair projects together, played in garage bands together, he was my Best man...) who lives out in Cali has got a brain the size of  Studebaker.  He studied astrophysics at Berkley as an undergrad and then did his doctorate work on ultra-low-temp particle mechanics at Stanford.  Like I say, he's pretty sharp.  Any way, I have a "Popular Science" kind of knowledge about quantum mechanics so I figured I'd give the boy a call and learn a little something about Higgs and mass and whatnot.  We'll my head started to hurt after 2 minutes and I grasped the smallest bit of what he had to offfer on the subject.  And to get even that, my buddy had to talk down at my level and spoon feed me the stuff.  Bottom line, he's an authority on the subject and I am a not.

 

To make me feel slightly better, I do the same to him when he calls me with questions of a biological nature.

 

But the point is that CW is THE sole trained authority here on scriptural scholarship and we're all working with the "popular science" level of knowledge.  That is the truth.  The problem is that scriptural authority and relogious conviction have little to do with one another.  And of course it is a basic truth for Christians that you don't have to be a scriptural authority to gain salvation.  That's where the alogy to my quantum mechanics analogy breaks down.  I can't build a supercollider with the fraction of a fraction of the scientific authority on the subject I have.  But according to their basic beliefs Christians can gain salvation with a fraction of a fraction of the scientific authority that CW and other trained scriptural scholars posess.  That gives CW no more authority than anyone else to tell us who's on the right path, but it certainly gives him the expertise to tell us we're full of it in terms of our critical understanding of the scriptures when we are.

I get it, it just seemed alittle pointed. I agree. we cool

[BrandoFan]

The other day, I read a bit about Herman Wouk's new book on the decision to stop work on the Texas supercollider and end the search for the Higgs Boson (the "God Partocle"). There was actually another bit about the book on NPR this morning as well. Any way, a lifelong friend of mine (we grew up together, sleepovers, did science fair projects together, played in garage bands together, he was my Best man...) who lives out in Cali has got a brain the size of Studebaker. He studied astrophysics at Berkley as an undergrad and then did his doctorate work on ultra-low-temp particle mechanics at Stanford. Like I say, he's pretty sharp. Any way, I have a "Popular Science" kind of knowledge about quantum mechanics so I figured I'd give the boy a call and learn a little something about Higgs and mass and whatnot. We'll my head started to hurt after 2 minutes and I grasped the smallest bit of what he had to offfer on the subject. And to get even that, my buddy had to talk down at my level and spoon feed me the stuff. Bottom line, he's an authority on the subject and I am a not.

 

 

It's sad that you even had to explain this. I think Political Correctness is great, but not when it comes to sugarcoating the difference between those who "know" or are "able" from those who have lots to learn and/or are full of s***.

 

I can relate to this as well; I would love for them to simulate the Big Bang in the "tunnel" but that doesn't mean I understand all the theory(ies) and mechanics involved.