GoodAsGould Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 i know its still the begining of the season but i mean the guy isnt a great hitter and he is agressive on defense but its not like he is amazing like a beltran or pierre at it..... how long is it going to take if he keeps hitting at this rate until we take him out and give jeremy reed a shot..... im hoping soon because ive never been a big fan of rowand Also danny wright faces toronto next right? My guess is they are going to crush him so how many bad starts left until a move is made with him? im thinking 1 or 2 more after toronto if he pitches bad in them..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Rowand, Harris and Wright are running out of time. We put Uribe at 2B when Jose gets off the DL, put Timo in CF and Cotts in the 5 slot. Their replacements are available, so if they don't pick it up within the next couple of weeks, changes will have to be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted April 28, 2004 Author Share Posted April 28, 2004 i dont have a big problem with willis... he seems to be doing ok recently and as long as he is getting on base once or twice a game like today im ok but rowand has practically done nothing and wright's last start wasnt 2 bad but it wasnt good 2.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 i dont have a big problem with willis... he seems to be doing ok recently and as long as he is getting on base once or twice a game like today im ok but rowand has practically done nothing and wright's last start wasnt 2 bad but it wasnt good 2.... Harris's OBP is .294 Nuff said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 i wouldn't have a problem if Willis was out second baseman either -- He's batting over .500 -- plus we could put him on the bump every five days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 AR time is over he brings nothing to the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Would it be possible to put Harris in center, Uribe at second, and Valentin back at SS? Granted, I wasn't thrilled with Harris' centerfield defense last season, but if Rowand doesn't pick it up.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 i know its still the begining of the season but i mean the guy isnt a great hitter and he is agressive on defense but its not like he is amazing like a beltran or pierre at it..... how long is it going to take if he keeps hitting at this rate until we take him out and give jeremy reed a shot..... im hoping soon because ive never been a big fan of rowand Also danny wright faces toronto next right? My guess is they are going to crush him so how many bad starts left until a move is made with him? im thinking 1 or 2 more after toronto if he pitches bad in them..... Rowand will be better, shortening his swing, he'll be fine. As for Harris, yes, I am very disappointed with him. If I were GM I'd designate him for assignment. How long is Ozzie going to do this to us? He has to realize at some point that the talent is not there. Harris would be better at a track team then Major League Baseball. Wright? Blah. The guy is a washup. The Sox try their best to get him ready for the season, and he just sucks now. Plain and simple; package Harris and Wright for some non recycled prospects. I must say that Borchard would have to be included there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be Good Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 AR time is over he brings nothing to the table. I agree. I'm just waiting patiently for Reed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Rowand, Harris and Wright are running out of time. We put Uribe at 2B when Jose gets off the DL, put Timo in CF and Cotts in the 5 slot. Their replacements are available, so if they don't pick it up within the next couple of weeks, changes will have to be made. Very well put, YAS. I couldn't agree more. Not sure if Cotts is ready for the rotation yet, but what the hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 i know its still the begining of the season but i mean the guy isnt a great hitter and he is agressive on defense but its not like he is amazing like a beltran or pierre at it..... how long is it going to take if he keeps hitting at this rate until we take him out and give jeremy reed a shot..... im hoping soon because ive never been a big fan of rowand Also danny wright faces toronto next right? My guess is they are going to crush him so how many bad starts left until a move is made with him? im thinking 1 or 2 more after toronto if he pitches bad in them..... Rowand was just hitting .289 2 or 3 days ago. A couple of 0fers and you want to send him to the bench? The Sox are playing decent baseball right now. There is no reason to make changes now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 put Timo in CF I fail to see how Timo is better than Rowand. They are both kind of weak in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 As for Harris, yes, I am very disappointed with him. If I were GM I'd designate him for assignment. How long is Ozzie going to do this to us? He has to realize at some point that the talent is not there. Harris would be better at a track team then Major League Baseball. I must say that Borchard would have to be included there too. So I assume you would rather have Kelly Dransfeldt playing 2B, correct? When Jose comes off the DL, Harris should have more limited playing time. And why should we give up on Harris. You never know. One second he sucks ass, the next he looks like Kenny Lofton Jr. And I can tell you that Kenny Lofton, in his prime, was as big a force offensively as quite a few guys just because of his great ability to get on base and score runs, be it stealing, taking extra bases on hits, etc. You can NOT just give up on Harris. However, Willie IS at the make or break point of his career with the White Sox. That's not saying he couldn't go to say Montreal or Tampa Bay and resurrect his career and turn into Kenny Lofton part deux. Wright? Blah. The guy is a washup. The Sox try their best to get him ready for the season, and he just sucks now. Plain and simple; package Harris and Wright for some non recycled prospects. He sucks as a starter. As a reliever, you never know until you try it. BTW, if Harris and Wright are "recycled prospects", what in the hell makes you think we can get good prospects for them? If it was that easy, we'd all be GMing. I must say that Borchard would have to be included there too. It's a good thing you are GMing. He shortens his swing up, and he could be a pretty damn good hitter. Some guys just take a little longer(Raul Ibanez for example). He is losing his status as a prospect, but that doesn't mean he is losing his talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Rowand was just hitting .289 2 or 3 days ago. A couple of 0fers and you want to send him to the bench? The Sox are playing decent baseball right now. There is no reason to make changes now. I agree, and nice new avatar. I think Rowand is growing into a good center fielder and he is a personal favorite of mine, I wouldn't change anything right now. Looking at the long haul and having watched Willie chase down balls last year, I have to say he has a chance of being some one special in the field, in the sense of Rudy Law or Lance Johnson. And this makes a big contribution to a team. As someone who has looked at a lot of ballplayers, wouldn't Willie be better able to earn his keep in the bigs as a CF than as a 2B? Rowand is good, but can you hold down a kid who could be great out there? This team will score plenty of runs with either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 I still don't have a problem with Willie or Aaron. I do think that Reed is very close to playing in Chicago, but their isn't much Rowand can do about that, because Reed has been playing so fantastic and can fit into the 2 hole, something I still feel the Sox need. However, I am not about to move Harris out of the lineup, as of now, he's our leadoff hitter. He's been putting a lot better swings on the ball and his average isn't awful, although his OBP is. I'm still comitted to letting Willie get a full month and a half before I make a judgement. I think he can do it though, I really do. With Rowand, he's been hitting the ball solid, imo. Timo had been struggling up until today and now some want him in the lineup. Timo is a quality backup; Rowand may really be a quality backup, but its worth giving him playing time to see, especially since the Sox have no idea whether Maggs will be here next year and if they keep Maggs, maybe it means Lee has to go); so the Sox may still need both Rowand and Reed as starters, instead of Reed soley replacing Rowand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Tlak, I think Willie would have a much more difficult time as a CF, simply because the Sox have nothing in the organization thats near major league ready in the infield. I think most of us think Uribe has a lot of upside (who knows if he'll reach it) but their is also a question as to how much longer Jose will be a White Sox (will the Sox resign him???), so Willie has a spot. If he were to move to center (willie doesn't really have much of an arm, although his range is solid) then he'd all of a sudden be fighting with not only Rowand, but Reed, Borchard, Sweeney, Anderson, Nanita and a whole lot of others. I think he's best suited playing second base. First off, he doesn't have the power to play another infield position (including shortstop, which is become more of a power position), and secondly because he's a solid defensive second baseman and it fills a definate need on the Sox. However, if the SOx want to hold Reed back and aren't happy with Rowand, then I do see an option where Harris moves to center and leads off, while Uribe hits in the 2 hole and you can move Jose's left handed bat down in the order, which can help break up all the righties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Well said Chisoxfn. How fast is Reed? The couple of games I saw on TV in the spring he didn't get stretched. How's his arm? We all know he can hit. Compare his D to some players in the Bigs, past or present. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Defensively, I think Reed could be as good as Erstad (not all that talented, but flat out makes plays) to Mark Kotsay (another quality outfielder who doesn't necessarily have great speed). He's got an average, but accurate arm in centerfield, but it will be worse then Rowand, who has in my opinion, one of the better centerfield arms in all of baseball. He's a pretty fast player, not amazingly fast, but above average speed and his instincts make him a little faster. He won't steal more then 25-30 bases in the majors though, unless he's in a very agressive system. Really he doesn't amaze you, I think he's one of those guys the more you watch him, the more you appreciate him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Well said Chisoxfn. How fast is Reed? The couple of games I saw on TV in the spring he didn't get stretched. How's his arm? We all know he can hit. Compare his D to some players in the Bigs, past or present. Thanks! I don't know about his arm, but I do know that Reed has pretty solid speed. He stole 45 bases last season between Winston-Salem and Bham. Granted, he won't steal that many in the majors, but he has speed for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Really he doesn't amaze you, I think he's one of those guys the more you watch him, the more you appreciate him. Sounds just like Aaron. He also grows on you everyday. I think in any event, the Sox are in fine shape the next few years. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Exactly, except Reed is left handed, a little faster, can draw a walk, and should hit over .300. It will be those things, mixed with his Rowand like traits, that make him a fan favorite, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Personally, I'm sick of Aaron, don't know what you can do with him, send him down-- don't really think he has many options-- bench him, don't know who how you could do that with Timo and Rowand on the bench, Cut him or trade him whatever, just get him out of this line-up and get Reed up here. I'm also getting tired of Willie. Keep in mind I don't know whow they could get it like this , but, This is a line-up I'd like to see: Uribe Reed Ordonez Thomas Lee Valentin Konerko Crede Olivo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Exactly, except Reed is left handed, a little faster, can draw a walk, and should hit over .300. So where does Rowand come into the equation here? He only has 4 key differences and you already mentioned he doesn't have as good of an arm. So what's left for him to have like Rowand? C'mon Jas, I like Rowand as much as the next guy, but to compare him to Reed who should be a far superior player is unwarranted. Also, it is hard to tell a player's heart (Rowand's best trait) when he hasn't faced much adversity. Reed has dominated every level he has ever played at (he bat .333 in college), his heart will be tested when he plays in the majors. I'm not saying he has no heart, desire, etc. but it hasn't been tested yet. Again I like Rowand a lot and have wanted him to get chance after chance. He simply hasn't gotten it done this year offensively. However, I would like to see Rowand get a chance to play out of this. Last year he was beginning to hit better and Everett came in. I would like to see Rowand get a chance to prove himself over a full season. Remember, there is no trade deadline with Reed. We can call him up in August and if we don't call him up then he will be up in September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Dan, I was more so comparing Rowand's heart and just the way he plays to the way Reed does it. Offensively Reed is superior and defensively I think Rowand is better, however, I think Reed is very good. On the base paths Reed is better, although I have no flaw with Rowand out there. I really don't see whats so bad about Rowand. Whenever he gets consistent playing time he produces. My one big knock on him is he is incredibly in patient. However, I don't ever see Rowand doing better then .280, while I think Reed could hit .320 or .330 (not right away, but eventually). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 I know, but I'm just saying you can't judge Reed's heart yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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