The Critic Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 I understand that Hawk is VERY happy that Manuel is gone, and I am too, but he really is running the risk of overdoing the whole "Miracle Worker" thing with Oz. Right now, he's basically comparing him to Lou Piniella and Tony LaRussa, which is completely unfair given that Oz hasn't even managed one full month in the bigs yet. I KNOW he's comparing approaches and not results, but he comes off sounding like he's canonizing Ozzie and I just think it's a little too early for it right now. As much as I like what Oz has done so far, I'm already tired of Hawk's ass-licking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 These are the nights that Hawk annoys the s*** out of me. He is such a shill it gets maddening. Yes, we know, every single player and coach the Sox have now, are better than what we used to have... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 I like Hawk but If we would of told him anything negative about JM last year he would of been saying you do not know what the hell you are talking about Hawk loves to ride the fence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 I really felt Hawk hated JM. He's really glad to see him gone; you could just tell by some of the things he was saying in interviews etc. last season that Hawk was done w/ the Manuel era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 As long as the Sox's keep winning Hawk can lick his ass all year long for all i care... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 As long as the Sox's keep winning Hawk can lick his ass all year long for all i care... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 I understand that Hawk is VERY happy that Manuel is gone, and I am too, but he really is running the risk of overdoing the whole "Miracle Worker" thing with Oz. Right now, he's basically comparing him to Lou Piniella and Tony LaRussa, which is completely unfair given that Oz hasn't even managed one full month in the bigs yet. I KNOW he's comparing approaches and not results, but he comes off sounding like he's canonizing Ozzie and I just think it's a little too early for it right now. As much as I like what Oz has done so far, I'm already tired of Hawk's ass-licking. I haven't heard Hawk much this year yet so I appreciate the review Yeah, hawk does overdo I picked up what gw121 said, that last year hawk was not happy with JM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 I haven't heard Hawk much this year yet so I appreciate the review Yeah, hawk does overdo I picked up what gw121 said, that last year hawk was not happy with JM Thats my flaw with Hawk. I realize he needs to stay true to the team and he can't necessarily make too many harsh statements cause it will piss of the players, but at the same time, I'd like to see some unbiased commentary. If he didn't like JM, then he should of said it in the broadcasts (last year) and stuff like that. I doubt it will ever happen cause as an announcer he has little margin of error, but still, I'd like to see hawk get into these guys (if he feels they deserve it) instead of waiting until they are gone to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Thats my flaw with Hawk. I realize he needs to stay true to the team and he can't necessarily make too many harsh statements cause it will piss of the players, but at the same time, I'd like to see some unbiased commentary. If he didn't like JM, then he should of said i t in the broadcasts (last year) and stuff like that. I doubt it will ever happen cause an announcer has little margin of error, but still, I'd like to see hawk get into these guys (if he feels they deserve it) instead of waiting until they are gone to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 That game when Crede's HR in Baltimore got called foul and JM asked the 3B ump what he had for dinner...let's just say Hawk was a bit peeved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 That game when Crede's HR in Baltimore got called foul and JM asked the 3B ump what he had for dinner...let's just say Hawk was a bit peeved. Ya, I was pissed too. That was bs, that really hurt the Sox. I like it when Hawk shows a little attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 If he didn't like JM, then he should of said it in the broadcasts (last year) and stuff like that. I doubt it will ever happen cause as an announcer he has little margin of error, but still, I'd like to see hawk get into these guys (if he feels they deserve it) instead of waiting until they are gone to do it. Hawk drops plenty of subtle hints, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 I think Hawk is trying to build some excitement for this team and Ozzie is the main selling point so far. Rather, Ozzie's influence on how the team is approaching these games seems to be. If, by doing this, he helps spin those turnstyles, then by all means, "Keep it up, Hawk!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted April 30, 2004 Author Share Posted April 30, 2004 I think Hawk is trying to build some excitement for this team and Ozzie is the main selling point so far. Rather, Ozzie's influence on how the team is approaching these games seems to be. If, by doing this, he helps spin those turnstyles, then by all means, "Keep it up, Hawk!" I would agree with this if not for the fact that he's praising Ozzie on the Sox broadcasts ( which is basically preaching to the choir ) and almost all the press Hawk gets in the non-Sox media is revolving around his spat with Mariotti. Hawk needs to take off his "Local Yokel Media Police" badge and promote what's going on with the South Side baseball club....which is some pretty damn good stuff right now.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Hawk drops plenty of subtle hints, though. I thought it was painfully obvious last year that Hawk did not like JM's managing style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 I thought it was painfully obvious last year that Hawk did not like JM's managing style I almost hate to say this but, what style? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 I almost hate to say this but, what style? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 I know Hawk dwells on it a lot, but I know how he feels! It was sad how dead the team use to look the last few years, it is really exciting to watch the games now, and I give the vast majority of that credit to Oz. I do give some credit to KW though, he brought Uribe in, he knew Shoey should get a shot at starter... I'm just waiting for a move on Wright (and after Cotts last few appearances and Diaz's numbers in AAA it's about time something happens). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 We would have lost the last two games and our bullpen would be completly fried last year. This team has a way of turning it on during the game as oppossed to last year when they would wilt like a flower and not be seen for nine innings (i.e. lose to Det twice and San Diego 1-0.) When Ozzie ran, not to waste time, to the mound in the ninth and Koch did the job, that was good to see. He didn't hold up the game or anything. Ran out said this is the guy to get now go get him, BINGO, game over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Before we annoint Ozzie as the next Casey Stengel, remember that the Sox had the exact same won-loss record last year at this time (under Manuel). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Before we annoint Ozzie as the next Casey Stengel, remember that the Sox had the exact same won-loss record last year at this time (under Manuel). This may be semantics, but the wins this year, to me, show that Ozzie is at least getting the guys to keep the 'we're going to win' attitude even if down by a few runs. Last year, if they were losing after say the 3rd or 4th inning, you could almost guarantee a loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 One thing that does kind of concern me though is, its great the Sox get out of the gate pretty well in the first inning and score runs but it always seems when the Sox do score first they normally lose that lead and have to come up with late inning heroics and eventually that stuff begins to turn into losses. The Sox starters have to work harder at keeping the lead in early innings. I believe the pen has done a very good job of late of doing so in the later innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 I think that the main problems with the Sox are: 1) Everyone seems to be "swinging for the fences". Whatever happenned to "small ball"? 2) Our starters have been "shaky" at best. Even Loiaza at 4-0. The aren't holding leads, and are walking too many hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Rector Posted May 1, 2004 Share Posted May 1, 2004 I think that the main problems with the Sox are: 1) Everyone seems to be "swinging for the fences". Whatever happenned to "small ball"? 2) Our starters have been "shaky" at best. Even Loiaza at 4-0. The aren't holding leads, and are walking too many hitters. 4-0 is perfect. How Loaiza does it is irrelevant as long as he stays perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted May 1, 2004 Share Posted May 1, 2004 even if we have the same record as last year we also had a better ball club supposedly last year 2..... so that tells you how ozzie is working with what he has and we also didnt face the yankees twice at this point last year... even though we did own them last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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