southsider2k5 Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 I wonder if the Jaime Burke era is already over? http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=fanb...nball&type=lgns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxShuf Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 No Jose!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 This is going to get interesting. I'm all for getting Jose back in the lineup. But no guarantee of continued starts. Nice to have choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 I wonder if the Jaime Burke era is already over? http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=fanb...nball&type=lgns Good bye Jamie Tuesday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 Good bye Jamie Tuesday "Hey I thought we were going to be in Baltimore 3 days" my ticket says Tuesday!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 Good bye Jamie Tuesday Who could hang a name on you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 JosE6's lefty bat is pretty important to the Sox lineup. It's going to be interesting to see what Oz does to keep all three guys - JosE6, Juan and Willie - involved. Willie's been hitting enough lately to stay in the equation, in my opinion, but he's still the most vulnerable to sit down for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 i dont wanna lose uribe, crede is finally swinging the bat well, and willie is frankly playing a lot better than the past... i dont really see a place for jose's .230 BA... sure he cranks out the HRs, but playing ozzie-ball i dont really think that is so important anymore... by the way i also really like gload and want to see him have a good chunk of playing time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 Who could hang a name on you? when you change with every new day still, we're gonna miss you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 when you change with every new day still, we're gonna miss you Gotta love the Stones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 This is how it's gonna unfold: Jose starts in Baltimore. Goes 1-for-12 with 7 Ks -- ala first 3 games of this season. Then gets his rhythm back and starts hitting, with a nice 3/4 throwing motion. Sox ride into the sunset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 rotoworld was reporting that Willie Harris will be the odd man out until Jose continues to play terribly or Juan Uribe becomes cold.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 rotoworld was reporting that Willie Harris will be the odd man out until Jose continues to play terribly or Juan Uribe becomes cold.. and that's the way it should be...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 and that's the way it should be...... exactly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxShuf Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 Damn you Jose, Willie and Uribe were just beginning to click together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 and that's the way it should be...... Amen. Willie is gonna make a hellava pinch-runner some day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 If it was up to me I would just put Harris in a rotation with Uribe and Rowand. I know that it is probably detrimental at this point to put Harris in CF again, but I feel much more confident in a lineup where Willie and not Uribe is the leadoff hitter. Uribe has done awesome, and I think if he stays in the right places in the lineup he will continue to do well, not as well but around .300 with some pop. I just prefer a line-up where Harris is leads with Uribe as 2, Jose would go down in the lineup to behind Konerko or Crede and provide some a left handed bat at the bottom of the order. At this point I can not justify sitting Harris for Rowand because: G AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS Harris: 22 77 9 21 6 0 0 27 9 7 15 5 0 .273 .326 .351 .676 Rowand: 19 59 12 14 7 0 2 27 4 4 11 1 0 .237 .286 .458 .743 And of course Valentin: 11 48 10 13 4 1 3 28 8 4 14 0 0 .271 .327 .583 .910 Rowand is under .250 ba, under .300 obp. Harris may not be the best Centerfielder, but he is adequate and will keep intact the Uribe Harris combination that has been propelling us to victories. There is something to be said for : If it aint broke, dont fix it. I would hate to see Harris benched, Uribe and Valentin go into a funk and have us lose 4-5 games this week, then have Harris try to step back in and be cold. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 but he is adequate and will keep intact the Uribe Harris combination that has been propelling us to victories. For the Nth time..... Sox with Valentin as startting SS? 8-3 Sox without Valentin as starting SS? 7-6 The "7-6" includes being OUTSCORED by Cle, TB and Toronto AT HOME.... The is no way Harris starts over Rowand. Rowand has a live ML bat that's simply cold right now. Harris is not a ML hitter. Rowand can play CF. Harris has a 2B's arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxShuf Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 For the Nth time..... Sox with Valentin as startting SS? 8-3 Sox without Valentin as starting SS? 7-6 The "7-6" includes being OUTSCORED by Cle, TB and Toronto AT HOME.... The is no way Harris starts over Rowand. Rowand has a live ML bat that's simply cold right now. Harris is not a ML hitter. Rowand can play CF. Harris has a 2B's arm. I guess you have a point, Valentin does give us some pop. I just hope he can bunt well enough to get Uribe over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 rotoworld was reporting that Willie Harris will be the odd man out until Jose continues to play terribly or Juan Uribe becomes cold.. Jose Valentin will be the regular starting SS. Uribe and Harris may alternate games at 2B, but Uribe will be subbing for Crede, Harris and Valentin. My guess is that Uribe will play at least 4 games a week as a starter. Burke isn't going down. He will stay as long as the 5th starter isn't needed. Dransfeldt will be returning to Charlotte and on call to return, if needed. If and when we need a fifth starter, it will likely mean that Burke goes back to Charlotte. Mark my words, as I have this on good authority and I mean from the TOP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 The Sox are 8-3 with Valentin lets look at his indivdual contributions to those wins: 4/5 Sox 5, Royals 4 Uribe 0/4 Jose 0/4 4/9 Sox 9, Yankees 3 Harris 1/4 1r, 2rbi Jose 1/3 2 r, 2bb 4/10 Sox 10, Yanks 3 Harris 3/5 3 r, 2 rbi Jose 1/5 1r, 2 rbi 4/13 Sox 12, Royals 5... Uribe 2/5 2 r, 2 rbi Jose 2/5 1 r, 2 rbi 4/14 Sox 10, Royals 9... Uribe 3/4 2 rbi Jose 1/5 4/15 Sox 6, Royals 5 Uribe 2/3 1 r Jose 2/4 1 r, 1 rbi, 1bb 4/16 Sox 4, TB 1 Harris 1/5 Jose 0/4 4/17 Sox 5, TB 0 Harris 2/5 1r, 1rbi Jose 2/4 2r, 1 rbi Those are the 8 wins with Jose... Statistically 4 of those games Jose was better than Uribe or Harris, 3 of them he was worse, and 1 of them he was the same. In only 1 game did Jose's contribution count for a win, while Uribe counted for 2 wins in this same time period. The whole idea that Jose makes the Sox a better team because of record is quite ridiculous because many of the things that determine wins or losses are outside of his control. Since losing Jose the Sox have never lost a 1 run game, and have ony lost by 2 runs 2 times. If you think Jose would of contributed for 3 runs on top of what Harris and Uribe already contributed those games, well Jose is not Barry Bonds or Pujols and you just cant think he impacts the game that much. Your theories are based on your own feelings about players, thus why you love Jose, while you always talk down about Harris. :;shrugs:: If I could trade Jose today and have Harris Uribe as my middle infield for the next 3 years, I would do it ina second provided I got some SP or RP help. That being said, Harris in CF is the best option to keep our best players on the field at this moment. Harris, Uribe, and Valentin are all arguably contributing, Rowand needs to get his act together, hes not fast, hes not that great defensively, and hes not hitting that well. What is he contributing? SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 Jose Valentin will be the regular starting SS. Uribe and Harris may alternate games at 2B, but Uribe will be subbing for Crede, Harris and Valentin. My guess is that Uribe will play at least 4 games a week as a starter. Burke isn't going down. He will stay as long as the 5th starter isn't needed. Dransfeldt will be returning to Charlotte and on call to return, if needed. If and when we need a fifth starter, it will likely mean that Burke goes back to Charlotte. Mark my words, as I have this on good authority and I mean from the TOP. I've heard this scenerio before... strangly familiar... oh wait.. I know where.. it was talked about on AM1000 yesterday.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 What is he contributing? Let's see.... Jose sucks in first 3 games.....Sox are 1-2 Jose heats it up.....Sox are 7-1. And I love the way you're measuring thei contribution during those 11 games....How about OPS and numbers with RISP and close-late? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 The whole idea that Jose makes the Sox a better team because of record is quite ridiculous because many of the things that determine wins or losses are outside of his control. Hey, you and others made the contention that the team is "on the roll" without Valentin in the line-up. Simply not true. Not only is the record much worse, they're barely handling TB/Cle at home -- which is where Jose has usually shined as a member of the White Sox over the years. Don't shoot the messanger and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 Your theories are based on your own feelings about players, thus why you love Jose, while you always talk down about Harris. Whatever. Harris is a proud owner of 255 career OBP and an even worse slugging. And most of that came in the pressure free-September call-ups -- and most of THAT came against RHP because Sox didn't even bother playing him against lefties....And as a REGULAR, he'll have to see lefties pretty often. And did you see his hits lately? Mishandled comebackers to the pitcher, bunt and a couple of bloopers on 1-2 count. When was the last time he SMOKED the ball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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