BrandoFan Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 That being said, Harris in CF is the best option to keep our best players on the field at this moment. Harris, Uribe, and Valentin are all arguably contributing, Rowand needs to get his act together, hes not fast, hes not that great defensively, and hes not hitting that well Rowand at his COLDEST is better hitter than Harris; he plays adequate CF, can bunt and could steal bases if given a chance -- not as well as Harris, but you can't have it all. And btw....Uribe has been one of my favorite players since ST, so there goes your "bias" theory. You're gonna have to live with Jose going 1-for-15 in the next few games because there is no way he hits ML pitching right now, coming off DL. Like it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS W. Harris: LAST 7 DAYS 6 20 2 7 2 0 0 4 3 1 1 0 .350 .417 .450 .867 Uribe: LAST 7 DAYS 6 23 5 12 2 0 2 4 3 3 1 1 .522 .577 .870 1.446 Rowand: LAST 7 DAYS 4 12 2 2 1 0 0 1 1 3 0 0 .167 .231 .250 .481 If I have to sit one of these 3 players, you are saying we should sit the under .200 ba, under .250 obp for the over .300 over 400 obp lead off man? Clearly Rowand at his coldest can not outhit Harris, seeing as he only has more strike outs then Harris, while Harris has more BB, SB, RBI, H... Your delusional if you think Harris is off this team before Rowand, we have Reed just waiting in the minors to take Rowands job, right now Perez is pushing Rowand for playing time. He was given the CF job this year, and hes done absolutely nothing to keep it. I gave him his chances and kept saying he could be good, but hes had his chance, and we have 3 players out playing him, and why should they sit? Harris started off slow, but 7 hits in 20 ab, with a BB is good for a lead off man. Also he has been doing a great job of getting deeper into the counts and allowing the batters behind him to get a better look. I just think the team will be better overall if Harris, Uribe, and Valentin are playing, right now I think Valentin is the most expendable as he is the oldest and highest paid. The reality of the situation is, Valentin is getting beat out by Uribe and Harris is doing just enough to make Valentin expendable, while Rowand is doing really nothing, and might get out of his slump if hes facing more lefty's while Harris plays against rightys. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 here's a smilie for jose supporters... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 right now I think Valentin is the most expendable as he is the oldest and highest paid. That we can agree on. Kenny f***ed up and gave Valentin twice his value. Just don't pretend like the team plays better without Jose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 Rowand at his COLDEST is better hitter than Harris; he plays adequate CF, can bunt and could steal bases if given a chance -- not as well as Harris, but you can't have it all. And btw....Uribe has been one of my favorite players since ST, so there goes your "bias" theory. You're gonna have to live with Jose going 1-for-15 in the next few games because there is no way he hits ML pitching right now, coming off DL. Like it or not. I love Aaron as you can tell, but right now the best option we have is to put willie in cf, and put juan at 2b, Willie is batting .273 right now with a descent obp, and aaron is batting .237 right now, and willie is a better cf then aaron, right now you have to put willie in cf once Jose comes back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 I think the team would play the best with Jose, Uribe, and Harris. Im just tired of all the Harris bashing, he may not be the Jaun Pierre, but he gives us a spark, he tries hard, and he has a great attitude. At 2b hes pretty much made every play asked of him 0 errors at 2b compared to 2 by Uribe (3 total, 1 at SS), and 4 by Jose. Harris has done nothing to be benched, and if a man has to be sat to replace Jose, why not consider Rowand? Rowand just has not been there so far this year, and I think if he gets a chance to get out of the funk maybe he comes back. But you cant just keep throwing out a cold player when you have a hot one who can easily replace him. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 For the Nth time..... Sox with Valentin as startting SS? 8-3 Sox without Valentin as starting SS? 7-6 The "7-6" includes being OUTSCORED by Cle, TB and Toronto AT HOME.... The is no way Harris starts over Rowand. Rowand has a live ML bat that's simply cold right now. Harris is not a ML hitter. Rowand can play CF. Harris has a 2B's arm. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 Fact: Rowand completely outplayed Harris in Spring Training. Fact: Rowand once again started slow and STILL has an OPS of 80 points higher than Harris. And he's been facing quite a few RHP. Aaron has given quite a few warning track rides while Willie's typical out is a 3 hopper to the 2B. Fact: Rowand is a little better CF'er -- Willie's speed is nice but when you break the wrong way and have a weak arm, it won't make a difference. I love how Rowand, who, if you ignore the dirt-bike accident-related loss of batspeed in April-May of last year (and I can't see why you wouldn't), at least has shown that he BELONGS in the bigs as a starting player gets bashed so much around here....while Willie has been extended every kind of benefit of the doubt and still can't do SQUAT even batting in front of a white-hot Uribe, Ordonez and Thomas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 Rowand has had 3 years, Harris has had not even a full season. Harris is hitting better than Rowand right now that is a fact you seem to forget. Today if you had to chose who you would want facing a right handed pitcher Harris or Rowand unless you needed a HR to win, you pick Harris easily. So why sit Harris when a RHP is going when you can easily bench Rowand who has done nothing this year to prove that he is going to break out any time soon. Harris on the other hand in the last 7 days has shown that hes turning the corner. On days leftys pitch Rowand can start in center, and some days have Valentin rest, some days Harris, and on RHP some days Uribe wil sit so Rowand can play. If they rotate all 4 they will get the most possible out of the situation, but if they just keep letting Rowand run out there every day, we are going to have a hole in the bottom of the order. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 At 2b hes pretty much made every play asked of him 0 errors at 2b compared to 2 by Uribe (3 total, 1 at SS), and 4 by Jose. There we go again....Jose never fielded well in April. Last year he had 7 or 8 errors and then settled down into a nice groove and led the league in adjusted range while committing only 12 or 13 errors in final 5 months. This spring training he was flawless. Had a hard time in NY, ok -- but suprisingly still leads the majors in adjusted ZoneRating; we know he turns the pivot well, makes tough plays and is very aggressive in his decision-making (which leads to extra errors but also to extra outs on bang-bang plays), so that means he probably already made up for a couple of those errors somewhere in there. Santana will work on the shoulder-dipping glitch with him; Jose won't win a GG at SS any time soon, but will be tolerable there in the long run. And before you trumpet Willie as a GG'ver....he screwed up a couple of big DP's in the last 2 games alone. He's a sure-handed fielder, no doubt, but watch Lius Castillo field sometimes -- Willie still takes less than ideal routes to the ball and his arm leaves much to be desired. Uribe (3 errors on the season, btw) won't be a downgrade at 2B defensively, so that's that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 Uribe has had 2 errors in 6 games at 2b, while Harris has had 0... How can you be so sure that Uribe is going to great at 2b? Prior to this year he only played 11 games there, in 6 this year he has 2 errors... Im not even commenting on Jose's defense, Im just saying that Harris is the superior defensive 2b, and with time could be the superior defensive CF. I never touted him as a gold glover, just the best we have. Why do you compare these players to people not on our roster? Its not like Im saying I want Harris over Castillo, what I want is Harris to get more at bats than Rowand. In terms of at bats I think it should go: Valentin, Uribe, Harris, Rowand. Uribe worked his way into the starting line up, Harris is working his way into it, yet Rowand just gets a free pass for 3 years? Come on, hes had the most time of Uribe or Harris, and hes doing the least this year. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 You better be f***ing right about Harris's talent, badger. Why? Because Valentin will not help you on this road trip as his timing is out of whack. Rowand is corpse cold. Uribe is bound to come down to earth sometimes. Willie Harris setting the table is CRUCIAL to this team's success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 All I can say about Harris is, he has a plan every time he goes up to the plate, and if he makes contact enough times each game he is going to get his hits. Tonight is important for Harris, with talk of Jose coming back, he has to feel the pressure starting to mount for him to preform even more. No matter what I think Harris is a servicable lead-off hitter, and the best one we have on the Sox currently (not including minor league talent). But they eventually do have to play the game, so everything will be answered. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 They are obviously sending down Kelly, so Burke might be up until Wunsch returns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 I think the team would play the best with Jose, Uribe, and Harris. Im just tired of all the Harris bashing, he may not be the Jaun Pierre, but he gives us a spark, he tries hard, and he has a great attitude. At 2b hes pretty much made every play asked of him 0 errors at 2b compared to 2 by Uribe (3 total, 1 at SS), and 4 by Jose. Harris has done nothing to be benched, and if a man has to be sat to replace Jose, why not consider Rowand? Rowand just has not been there so far this year, and I think if he gets a chance to get out of the funk maybe he comes back. But you cant just keep throwing out a cold player when you have a hot one who can easily replace him. SB Jose can play CF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimpy2121 Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 wow jose has 3 strike outs so far tonight and theres still 2 innings to go. i think he has 13 overall so far in his little stint down there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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