BobDylan Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 I pulled this from my recap from whitesoxcentral. "In 6 games this season, Garland has allowed 8 runs before the sixth inning. After the sixth inning, Garland has seen 11 runs pass the plate. However, in those six starts, Garland has pitched 30 innings to the sixth inning. When the sixth inning hits, he's lasted 13.2 innings afterwards. Therefore, Garlands RA (not ERA because not all of the runs calculated are earned) is 7.50 after the fifth inning and 2.40 before the fifth inning." The math may be off a little, but it is still quite telling. Perhaps Manuel was right all along about this guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 I pulled this from my recap from whitesoxcentral. "In 6 games this season, Garland has allowed 8 runs before the sixth inning. After the sixth inning, Garland has seen 11 runs pass the plate. However, in those six starts, Garland has pitched 30 innings to the sixth inning. When the sixth inning hits, he's lasted 13.2 innings afterwards. Therefore, Garlands RA (not ERA because not all of the runs calculated are earned) is 7.50 after the sixth inning and 2.40 before the sixth inning." The math may be off a little, but it is still quite telling. Perhaps Manuel was right all along about this guy? First of all, Garland needs a 94mph four-seamer. He had it in first 5 innings and was unhittable without really fooling the hitters. That f***ing floating change-up may be worse than Wright's. That curve is great half the time and terrible (either 58 footer or a roller) the other half, so Jon-Jon knows he can't really on it to be an out pitch. Mediocre control. Vacuous, will-less, smirking surfer. Get an ace. Slide Judy into #4 and Schoney into #5 which suit their modest talents more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSF Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 I think Garland needs more starts to stretch out his arm. Not being given the opportunity to work out of a jam really hindered Garland's progress. I think as the season progresses, so will Garland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Garland needs to develop some mental toughness. He's got to stop being satisfied with 5 or 6 good innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 I pulled this from my recap from whitesoxcentral. "In 6 games this season, Garland has allowed 8 runs before the sixth inning. After the sixth inning, Garland has seen 11 runs pass the plate. However, in those six starts, Garland has pitched 30 innings to the sixth inning. When the sixth inning hits, he's lasted 13.2 innings afterwards. Therefore, Garlands RA (not ERA because not all of the runs calculated are earned) is 7.50 after the fifth inning and 2.40 before the fifth inning." The math may be off a little, but it is still quite telling. Perhaps Manuel was right all along about this guy? Manuel was dead wrong. After 4 years with sleepy Garland is finnaly getting some confidence from Guillen to get outta jams and stuff, since everytime that happend Mulehead would pull him. 6 innings and 3 runs or less is a Quality Start FWIW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Manuel was dead wrong. After 4 years with sleepy Garland is finnaly getting some confidence from Guillen to get outta jams and stuff, since everytime that happend Mulehead would pull him. 6 innings and 3 runs or less is a Quality Start FWIW! FWIW? ... It's worth very little. It's a stat, but an arbitrary one at best. Pitching well enough to win .... Sucking it up and stepping up when the games is on the line ... Learning how to pitch effectively when you are tired or don't have your good stuff. Those are the things that make a quality pitcher. Not the number of "quality starts". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 FWIW? ... It's worth very little. It's a stat, but an arbitrary one at best. Pitching well enough to win .... Sucking it up and stepping up when the games is on the line ... Learning how to pitch effectively when you are tired or don't have your good stuff. Those are the things that make a quality pitcher. Not the number of "quality starts". I didn't say that I mentioned quality starts cause of the mention of the 6 innings. Does Garland need a lil more Cojones??? HELL YEAH!!. I think he needs to throw 4 and 2 seamers. vary speeds and get that Curveball working which is not a bad one just needs to polish it. The problem is that Garland is a Flop Thrower and has no deception(sp?) in his wind up, like Kevin Brown does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 I didn't say that I mentioned quality starts cause of the mention of the 6 innings. Does Garland need a lil more Cojones??? HELL YEAH!!. I think he needs to throw 4 and 2 seamers. vary speeds and get that Curveball working which is not a bad one just needs to polish it. The problem is that Garland is a Flop Thrower and has no deception(sp?) in his wind up, like Kevin Brown does A Flop Thrower? I've never heard that one before. Is that a common term in PR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 A Flop Thrower? I've never heard that one before. Is that a common term in PR? Are you making fun of me? Flop thrower is a guy who doesn't really look like he has any power in his motion, I've heard it on BBT. They used to called Pete Schourek a flop thrower untill he got to the reds and his motion was altered a lil and he had a good season and was getting a lil more bite on his pitches.... Class Dismissed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Are you making fun of me? Flop thrower is a guy who doesn't really look like he has any power in his motion, I've heard it on BBT. They used to called Pete Schourek a flop thrower untill he got to the reds and his motion was altered a lil and he had a good season and was getting a lil more bite on his pitches.... Class Dismissed Are you making fun of me? Not at all. It was a legitimate question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Not at all. It was a legitimate question. Ohh ok Sorry. I tought you have heard that one. I know i have. I hope ya understood what i meant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Ohh ok Sorry. I tought you have heard that one. I know i have. I hope ya understood what i meant No problem. I didn't want you to think that I was making some vague comment about Puerto Rico. We good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 A Flop Thrower? I've never heard that one before. Is that a common term in PR? I've never heard that before either. Sounds like someone on BBT wants to coin a word. I do kind of like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Ohh ok Sorry. I tought you have heard that one. I know i have. I hope ya understood what i meant I never heard of it either, great term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 I pulled this from my recap from whitesoxcentral. "In 6 games this season, Garland has allowed 8 runs before the sixth inning. After the sixth inning, Garland has seen 11 runs pass the plate. However, in those six starts, Garland has pitched 30 innings to the sixth inning. When the sixth inning hits, he's lasted 13.2 innings afterwards. Therefore, Garlands RA (not ERA because not all of the runs calculated are earned) is 7.50 after the fifth inning and 2.40 before the fifth inning." The math may be off a little, but it is still quite telling. Perhaps Manuel was right all along about this guy? ESPN splits: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Garland needs to develop some mental toughness. He's got to stop being satisfied with 5 or 6 good innings. He gets in trouble around the 5th-6th inning and gives up the bombs. I think this is as frustrating as anything when you watch the Sox pitchers and that's the fact they all tend to give up at least one homer when we can't afford to give up the run, and in many cases more than one. Olivo made the observation that Garland tends to start leaving his pitches up in the 5th and 6th innings. OK, then that might mean he's tired, so go with the sinker. They always say that a tired pitcher makes the sinker a better pitch. He might be trying to over compensate and throws the heater up or hangs the curve and the pitch gets tattooed. Jon needs to keep his concentration and keep it on every pitch. I don't see that now. This has always been Jon's problem and you would think a major league pitcher like him with so much talent could see it. This is frustrating to say the least. We score 3 or 4 runs in an inning and the pitchers turn around and give it right back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Manuel was dead wrong. After 4 years with sleepy Garland is finnaly getting some confidence from Guillen to get outta jams and stuff, since everytime that happend Mulehead would pull him. 6 innings and 3 runs or less is a Quality Start FWIW! A quality start doesn't mean much when you lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iguana Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Ohh ok Sorry. I tought you have heard that one. I know i have. I hope ya understood what i meant i've never heard of it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted May 8, 2004 Author Share Posted May 8, 2004 ESPN splits: That's combined with the fourth inning...but where were you able to find that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 That's combined with the fourth inning...but where were you able to find that? Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 ESPN splits: Speaking of which.... I could have guessed Judy was falling apart after 6, but I didn't know it was to the extent TLAK showed. I have no idea why "inning eaters" are revered well beyond point of diminishing returns. I would rather have Judy throw 200 inn with a 3.60 ERA and then have an "extra" reliever Kelly Wunsch make up for up the rest of the inning load (say ERA of 3.50 as he sees more RH'ers), than have the ghastly splits shown above just so Garland fans could see him pitch 40 more innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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