BrandoFan Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Wright - burned Garland - burned Cotts burned Hey Coop....how bout tweaking their delivery so they don't telegraph all the time. :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Wright - burned Garland - burned Cotts burned Hey Coop....how bout tweaking their delivery so they don't telegraph all the time. :puke or perhaps they just hit their spots better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 or perhaps they just hit their spots better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Schoeneweis threw his changeup alot in ST. Remember how well that went? These guys need to take some changeup lessons from Shingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 The Changeup in itself is a good pitch...we just have to learn to avoid the belt high change up that yells hit me hit me hit me all the way to the plate.... At any level a belt high change up gets hit hard...Granted at the major league level it gets hit OUT... Keep the change down....and it can do wonders... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Schoeneweis threw his changeup alot in ST. Remember how well that went? These guys need to take some changeup lessons from Shingo. No one can throw the frisbee like Shingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 I agree, the pitch isn't necessarily the problem. It's the location of the pitch more than anything. Cotts' change was belt high and over the plate when Sandy was set up low and inside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Settin it up with a good fastball is the most effective pitchin combo in the game today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Don't blame the change; blame the pitcher that hung it high in the zone. That change Cotts threw would have been a fine pitch if he'd kept it down or just threw it in the dirt for the batter to chase. High change-up = HR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Don't blame the change; blame the pitcher that hung it high in the zone. That change Cotts threw would have been a fine pitch if he'd kept it down or just threw it in the dirt for the batter to chase. High change-up = HR. Do I hear an Echo in here???!?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 9, 2004 Author Share Posted May 9, 2004 or perhaps they just hit their spots better? That goes without saying. Still, it helps when hitters' eye don't lit up almost as soon as the ball is released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 9, 2004 Author Share Posted May 9, 2004 Keep the change down....and it can do wonders... If if was as simple as that, then Judy would be domiating people with sinker-change and 4-seamer-curve set-ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 If if was as simple as that, then Judy would be domiating people with sinker-change and 4-seamer-curve set-ups. What pitches does he get hurt on? Hanging Curveballs and Floating Changeups...HIGH IN THE ZONE...it is ALMOST as easy as that.... He does go long stretches in games looking near dominant with his fastball-change...or am I watching a different game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 9, 2004 Author Share Posted May 9, 2004 He does go long stretches in games looking near dominant with his fastball-change...or am I watching a different game? You are. There is a reason why Garland could never strike anybody out for a guy who could reach mid-90's on a heater and possesses a tough sinker. His off-speed arsenal stinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 You are. There is a reason why Garland could never strike anybody out for a guy who could reach mid-90's on a heater and possesses a tough sinker. His off-speed arsenal stinks. I totally agree...His offspeed pitches are way too inconsistent... Its funny how were arguing the same point but somehow disagree???? And If you have any Jon Garland footage on tape of him hitting the mid 90's I would love to see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 9, 2004 Author Share Posted May 9, 2004 And If you have any Jon Garland footage on tape of him hitting the mid 90's I would love to see... He was hitting 93-95 just the other day in Toronto. He will never be anything other than a solid #4 if either his change or curve don't become a legtimate 'out' pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 He will never be anything other than a solid #4 if either his change or curve don't become a legtimate 'out' pitch. AGREED..... You would think after 6+ seasons in the minors-majors he could have developed a little something something by now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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