Heads22 Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 I wondered what some of you thought about this guy...38 and still playing balls-out. My favortie player of all-time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Just recorded his 2500th career hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Hall of Famer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Hall of Famer. Nuff said.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 plus he has the "ozzie guillen helmet" thing going, gotta love that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Personally I thought he was done 2 years when they moved him to CF and he had a sub - standard year by his standards, by he's a real leader on that Astros and a great guy to hav in the clubhouse. Deserves to win a world series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 The Astros are my #2 team, mostly because I can get their games on TV. He's a certain HoF and a great club house guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 How many players can you say that have been effective while moving from catcher to second base to centerfield? That's quite an amazing accomplishment. He's been an offensive force his whole career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Hall of Famer. Seriously? Biggio has had a good career and all, but HOF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Seriously? Biggio has had a good career and all, but HOF? You're kidding, right? The man plays till he's 40, he'll be around 2,800 hits. 810 career OPS. 400+ steals. 4-time GG'er. 7-time All-Star. Cake walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 You're kidding, right? The man plays till he's 40, he'll be around 2,800 hits. 810 career OPS. 400+ steals. 4-time GG'er. 7-time All-Star. Cake walk. Very much so. However, if Biggio is in, Larkin is in easily as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Very much so. However, if Biggio is in, Larkin is in easily as well. Of course he is. Vizquel will be an interesting one. Prolly will have to wait a bit longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Of course he is. Vizquel will be an interesting one. Prolly will have to wait a bit longer. That could be a Bill Mazeroski-like wait for Vizquel. He never has been extremely good with the bat(though he has obviously been solid), so he'll get in pretty much solely for his glove, however, I do not think his defense warrants an induction within the first 10 years of eligibility(like Ozzie Smith). He could be - at the very least, it will be close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 That could be a Bill Mazeroski-like wait for Vizquel. He never has been extremely good with the bat(though he has obviously been solid), so he'll get in pretty much solely for his glove, however, I do not think his defense warrants an induction within the first 10 years of eligibility(like Ozzie Smith). He could be - at the very least, it will be close. Vizquel is only 37, so he has another 3 years to cement his legacy. Was Ozzie Smith a better fielder than Vizquel? He sure as hell wasn't a better hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 That could be a Bill Mazeroski-like wait for Vizquel. He never has been extremely good with the bat(though he has obviously been solid), so he'll get in pretty much solely for his glove, however, I do not think his defense warrants an induction within the first 10 years of eligibility(like Ozzie Smith). He could be - at the very least, it will be close. Despite the fact he has the best fielding percentage by a Shortstop in majorleague history? Personally I think he is more Hall worthy than Barry Larkin but thats just me...Perhaps the best ever at using the barehand to field the baseball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Vizquel is only 37, so he has another 3 years to cement his legacy. Was Ozzie Smith a better fielder than Vizquel? He sure as hell wasn't a better hitter. Much, much different eras of offense. Vizquel and Smith can't be compared at the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 10, 2004 Share Posted May 10, 2004 Personally I think he is more Hall worthy than Barry Larkin but thats just me...Perhaps the best ever at using the barehand to field the baseball Yes it is just you. I guess Craig Counsell is perhaps the best ever at using that f***ed up stance. Let's induct him. Larkin is a better hitter than Visquel and a better baserunner. Vizquel gets a slight advantage defensively, but that's not enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 10, 2004 Share Posted May 10, 2004 Much, much different eras of offense. Vizquel and Smith can't be compared at the plate. THis isn't Barry Bonds versus Babe. They played in the same decade. Very similar players. They can be compared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 10, 2004 Share Posted May 10, 2004 THis isn't Barry Bonds versus Babe. They played in the same decade. Very similar players. They can be compared. Come on, the 70's and early 80's are completely different than the 90's and 2000's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 10, 2004 Share Posted May 10, 2004 Come on, the 70's and early 80's are completely different than the 90's and 2000's. Ozzie's and Vizquel's heyday is only 10 years apart. They were comparable offensive and defensive players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 10, 2004 Share Posted May 10, 2004 Ozzie's and Vizquel's heyday is only 10 years apart. They were comparable offensive and defensive players. Defense is defense, and compares throughout eras. Offense is not nearly the same. Beginning with the era of computer made balls, and continuing into the steroid era, along with the teacup strike zone, and the expansion era of watered down pitching, there is no comparision between Ozzies hitting and Omars hitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 10, 2004 Share Posted May 10, 2004 This is a damn interesting argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 10, 2004 Share Posted May 10, 2004 Offense is not nearly the same. Beginning with the era of computer made balls, and continuing into the steroid era, along with the teacup strike zone, and the expansion era of watered down pitching, there is no comparision between Ozzies hitting and Omars hitting How many expansion teams have there been in less than 10 years that separate Omar and OzzE6? Again, their careers overlapped. Neither is a power hitter. Vizquel doesn't look like a roider. Are you telling me Visquel's strike zone is drastically different? And OF COURSE it's fairly easy to compare them. OBP+, Slug+, etc. When it's all said and done, you have to outperform your CONTEMPORARIES. ERA of 3.00 is only very good because the league average is around 4.50. And so on. Ozzie was a mediocre hitter by his day's standards and so is Vizquel. Both have longevity on their side. Both were excellent baserunners. And great defensive players. I don't see why you couldn't compare them, regardless of whether or not they belong in HOF -- who knows what arbitrary induction standards the buggers at Cooperstown adhere to.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted May 10, 2004 Share Posted May 10, 2004 He is a "plunk" expert... Soon he will pass Don Baylor as the all time HBP leader. OUCH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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