T R U Posted May 10, 2004 Share Posted May 10, 2004 Whats weird is his ERA is 5.40... yet opponents are only batting .222 against him? He has 13.1 inning pitched and 13 K's with 8 walks Hes leading the team in appearances and has 5 of 6 saves... He isnt doing that bad, but the thing that gets me is the 5.40 ERA with a .222 OBA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 10, 2004 Share Posted May 10, 2004 Whats weird is his ERA is 5.40... yet opponents are only batting .222 against him? He has 13.1 inning pitched and 13 K's with 8 walks Hes leading the team in appearances and has 5 of 6 saves... He isnt doing that bad, but the thing that gets me is the 5.40 ERA with a .222 OBA He takes a long time to unload the ball, so all his walks, and his HBP, which I know he has at least 2, are equivalent to doubles. You can score a few runs with not too many hits that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted May 10, 2004 Author Share Posted May 10, 2004 he has 8 walks in 13.1... thats not even a walk per inning hes only given up 12 hits and 4 were XBH I can just see improvement from him this yr, thats all i care about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted May 10, 2004 Share Posted May 10, 2004 he has 8 walks in 13.1... thats not even a walk per inning hes only given up 12 hits and 4 were XBH I can just see improvement from him this yr, thats all i care about Those walks came in bunches. The two Baltimore games etc. I hope Billy can get it under control, we really need him down the stretch. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 10, 2004 Share Posted May 10, 2004 he has 8 walks in 13.1... thats not even a walk per inning hes only given up 12 hits and 4 were XBH I can just see improvement from him this yr, thats all i care about 8 walks in 13.3 innings is way to f***ing much. That's about 5.5 BB/9. That's an insane amount. Opponents aren't going to swing the bat when he's walking anybody and everybody who holds a bat in the batter's box. I don't give a s*** about his BAA. What is his OBPA? I would bet it is damn near .350-.400. Hell, what's his WHIP? That will be telling enough. A good reliever has a WHIP of 1.10-1.20, a great reliever has a WHIP of between 1.00 and 1.10, and an excellent reliever has a WHIP of below 1.00(Eric Gagne/Keith Foulke types). On the flip side, a mediocre reliever is usually around 1.20-1.35, a bad reliever usually around 1.35-1.50, and f***ing awful reliever have WHIPs of higher then 1.50. My guess is that Billy's WHIP is right around 1.45-1.50. His ERA is 5.40 for a reason, and it's not because opponents aren't hitting him. I guarantee you that if he was throwing them balls they could hit, they'd hit them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSox30 Posted May 10, 2004 Share Posted May 10, 2004 8 walks in 13.1 innings is terrible. and Koch's WHIP is 1.50 which I agree with you witesox is TERRIBLE. I dont know what you are talking about with koch. He should not be getting anyone's praises and should only be bashed until he puts together some saves. There was already a thread like this after baltimore and most people agreed his performances so far have been unacceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASHWOUND Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 8 walks in 13.3 innings is way to f***ing much. That's about 5.5 BB/9. That's an insane amount. Opponents aren't going to swing the bat when he's walking anybody and everybody who holds a bat in the batter's box. I don't give a s*** about his BAA. What is his OBPA? I would bet it is damn near .350-.400. Hell, what's his WHIP? That will be telling enough. A good reliever has a WHIP of 1.10-1.20, a great reliever has a WHIP of between 1.00 and 1.10, and an excellent reliever has a WHIP of below 1.00(Eric Gagne/Keith Foulke types). On the flip side, a mediocre reliever is usually around 1.20-1.35, a bad reliever usually around 1.35-1.50, and f***ing awful reliever have WHIPs of higher then 1.50. My guess is that Billy's WHIP is right around 1.45-1.50. His ERA is 5.40 for a reason, and it's not because opponents aren't hitting him. I guarantee you that if he was throwing them balls they could hit, they'd hit them. Ohh, Koch blows...Another stellar trade by KW acquiring him...Dumb f*** :puke Still waiting for that nice and easy 1-2-3 inning by Billy Goat :banghead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Still waiting for that nice and easy 1-2-3 inning by Billy Goat :banghead A year and a month and I still don't think we've seen him get through an inning 1-2-3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 A year and a month and I still don't think we've seen him get through an inning 1-2-3 He had one in a completely meaningless time when we were like down by 4 some time this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 IIRC one of his saves was a 1-2-3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 He had one in a completely meaningless time when we were like down by 4 some time this year. LMAO That's Billy for ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 misty water colored memories of Koch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 misty water colored memories of Koch. Aaaggghh!!! I was for the trade too. Shows what I know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Yeah, I was so pumped when we made that deal. The only thing making me not hate it is Cotts. (We did get him in that trade right?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Aaaggghh!!! I was for the trade too. Shows what I know Who were the other two minor leaguers we picked up? I remember feeling so pumped when we got Koch. I thought that was the final piece of the WS puzzle. :banghead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Whats weird is his ERA is 5.40... yet opponents are only batting .222 against him? He has 13.1 inning pitched and 13 K's with 8 walks Hes leading the team in appearances and has 5 of 6 saves... He isnt doing that bad, but the thing that gets me is the 5.40 ERA with a .222 OBA Walks do not figure within the batting average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 8 walks in 13.1 innings is terrible. and Koch's WHIP is 1.50 which I agree with you witesox is TERRIBLE. I dont know what you are talking about with koch. He should not be getting anyone's praises and should only be bashed until he puts together some saves. There was already a thread like this after baltimore and most people agreed his performances so far have been unacceptable. That is the number right there. A WHIP of 1.50 is what is killing him. With all of the walks he is basically going into an ass kicking contest with one leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Who were the other two minor leaguers we picked up? I remember feeling so pumped when we got Koch. I thought that was the final piece of the WS puzzle. :banghead We got Cotts and Daylon Holt for him. We gave up Foulke(duh; now with Boston), and also Mark Johnson(now in the Brewers organization) and Joe Valentine(who was traded to Cincinatti for Jose Guillen...the A's have neither of those two anymore). We still have Holt and Cotts, and (sadly) Koch as well. So we won in that regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooftop Shots Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 A year and a month and I still don't think we've seen him get through an inning 1-2-3 Sure we have! The only problem is that the 1--2--3 scenario were all walks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 8 walks in 13.1 innings is terrible. and Koch's WHIP is 1.50 which I agree with you witesox is TERRIBLE. I dont know what you are talking about with koch. He should not be getting anyone's praises and should only be bashed until he puts together some saves. There was already a thread like this after baltimore and most people agreed his performances so far have been unacceptable. Even when he gets saves they usually are accompanied by a heart attack or 4. He is certainly not "Lights out" like a real closer needs to be. If he doesn't get there he's not going to be able to get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 That trade made me gag. Thanks for the reminder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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