beck72 Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Does anyone get ESPN insider? The main baseball page on "Rumors" had Johnson and Garcia as names of guys coming up in trade talks. I'm wondering what these teams are looking for in exchange. Sea. needs big bats and RBI guys, as they have strong pitching in the minors. Arizona? Who knows? Both teams could possibly still contend, though Johnson leaving would leave a big hole. That would probably mean they'd want major leaguers rather than just prospects. Either of these two guys would be HUGE additions. Garcia is more practical, with his $6 mill salary, and close ties to Ozzie that could lead him to resign with the Sox. Carlos Lee and/ or Paul Konerko would have to be a part of any deal, with their big salaries for the Sox to fit either guy in this year though. That's something I could live with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Does anyone get ESPN insider? The main baseball page on "Rumors" had Johnson and Garcia as names of guys coming up in trade talks. I'm wondering what these teams are looking for in exchange. Sea. needs big bats and RBI guys, as they have strong pitching in the minors. Arizona? Who knows? Both teams could possibly still contend, though Johnson leaving would leave a big hole. That would probably mean they'd want major leaguers rather than just prospects. Either of these two guys would be HUGE additions. Garcia is more practical, with his $6 mill salary, and close ties to Ozzie that could lead him to resign with the Sox. Carlos Lee and/ or Paul Konerko would have to be a part of any deal, with their big salaries for the Sox to fit either guy in this year though. That's something I could live with. Honel, Borchard and Lee for Garcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Honel, Borchard and Lee for Garcia Whoa, that's a steep price for a guy that is very blatantly being shopped. Lee and Borchard for Freddy would be just fine by me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 The Yankees have got to be the #1 in line for the Big Unit. They will mortgage the farm and include cash to get the guy. They need starting pitching BAD, and will do anything to get it. The only thing that might stop them is if there is any bad blood between Coangelo and Steinbrenner over the David Wells signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Does anyone get ESPN insider? The main baseball page on "Rumors" had Johnson and Garcia as names of guys coming up in trade talks. I'm wondering what these teams are looking for in exchange. Sea. needs big bats and RBI guys, as they have strong pitching in the minors. Arizona? Who knows? Both teams could possibly still contend, though Johnson leaving would leave a big hole. That would probably mean they'd want major leaguers rather than just prospects. Either of these two guys would be HUGE additions. Garcia is more practical, with his $6 mill salary, and close ties to Ozzie that could lead him to resign with the Sox. Carlos Lee and/ or Paul Konerko would have to be a part of any deal, with their big salaries for the Sox to fit either guy in this year though. That's something I could live with. Who do you replace either of those 2 with? Konerko replaced by??? Skirt??? Lets not go there again. Lee replaced by??? Maybe Rowand? Could he move to left and get it done? There's no way he could ever be as stylish as Lee ever was though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Big Unit probably already has his Yankee pinstripes ready to go, (same with Beltran!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 The Yankees have got to be the #1 in line for the Big Unit. They will mortgage the farm and include cash to get the guy. They need starting pitching BAD, and will do anything to get it. The only thing that might stop them is if there is any bad blood between Coangelo and Steinbrenner over the David Wells signing. Who do the Yankees have to give up? Not sure amoun the money but there is a cap on cash considerations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Who do the Yankees have to give up? Not sure amoun the money but there is a cap on cash considerations. I know that they have one of the top catching prospects in the game. Other than that, I don't think that they have much. Also soon all of their draft picks from last year become eligible to be dealt. I don't know much about the Yankees farm system, but I know they will damn well try to get this guy, and are one of the few teams who can afford to pay a guy who is almost 40, $18 mil a year. That will be a big factor as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 I know that they have one of the top catching prospects in the game. Other than that, I don't think that they have much. Also soon all of their draft picks from last year become eligible to be dealt. I don't know much about the Yankees farm system, but I know they will damn well try to get this guy, and are one of the few teams who can afford to pay a guy who is almost 40, $18 mil a year. That will be a big factor as well. They'll trade Bernie Williams too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 I have a feeling that Maggs is going to play a significant role in who we acquire. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted May 11, 2004 Author Share Posted May 11, 2004 Who do you replace either of those 2 with? Konerko replaced by??? Skirt??? Lets not go there again. Lee replaced by??? Maybe Rowand? Could he move to left and get it done? There's no way he could ever be as stylish as Lee ever was though. Both Lee and/ or Konerko are replaceable if the sox get strong pitching in return. These guys are one-dimensional-they hit from the right side. When they don't hit, their salaries are a huge burden on the Sox organization. The Sox would replace either of them with mulitfaceted players. Look at how highly Ozzie speaks of Ross Gload. Guys like Encarnacion and Jeff Conine from the Marlins weren't big names. But they got the job done last year. The biggest thing about Ozzie ball is having players who aren't pretty but get the job done. Guys like Conine are all around the league if young guys [such as Reed or Rowand, or Gload] can't play Ozzieball [such as 1 year signees like Catalanotto from the Jays]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted May 11, 2004 Author Share Posted May 11, 2004 Honel, Borchard and Lee for Garcia Is that what ESPN said? If Sea would take Rauch instead of Honel I'd do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Does anyone get ESPN insider? The main baseball page on "Rumors" had Johnson and Garcia as names of guys coming up in trade talks. I'm wondering what these teams are looking for in exchange. Sea. needs big bats and RBI guys, as they have strong pitching in the minors. Arizona? Who knows? Both teams could possibly still contend, though Johnson leaving would leave a big hole. That would probably mean they'd want major leaguers rather than just prospects. Either of these two guys would be HUGE additions. Garcia is more practical, with his $6 mill salary, and close ties to Ozzie that could lead him to resign with the Sox. Carlos Lee and/ or Paul Konerko would have to be a part of any deal, with their big salaries for the Sox to fit either guy in this year though. That's something I could live with. I read today that Randy Johnson has veto rights in his contract. My guess is he wouldn't want to come here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Whoa, that's a steep price for a guy that is very blatantly being shopped. Lee and Borchard for Freddy would be just fine by me. They'd probably take Lee straight up. But yes, Honel, Borchard and Lee for an iffy pitcher in his contract year is WAY too steep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 They'd probably take Lee straight up. But yes, Honel, Borchard and Lee for an iffy pitcher in his contract year is WAY too steep. If Seattle would take Lee straight up for Garica....... Adios Carlos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 If Seattle would take Lee straight up for Garica....... Adios Carlos. Very much so. Sadly, Bill Bavasi(I think that's the M's GM's name) is not stupid, or atleast he is not THAT stupid. He has the leverage, he should push us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Does anyone get ESPN insider? The main baseball page on "Rumors" had Johnson and Garcia as names of guys coming up in trade talks. I'm wondering what these teams are looking for in exchange. Sea. needs big bats and RBI guys, as they have strong pitching in the minors. Arizona? Who knows? Both teams could possibly still contend, though Johnson leaving would leave a big hole. That would probably mean they'd want major leaguers rather than just prospects. Either of these two guys would be HUGE additions. Garcia is more practical, with his $6 mill salary, and close ties to Ozzie that could lead him to resign with the Sox. Carlos Lee and/ or Paul Konerko would have to be a part of any deal, with their big salaries for the Sox to fit either guy in this year though. That's something I could live with. I really want to just use an account...why do they get all the good stuff and leave us with s***? Marketing yah, but its not nice! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted May 11, 2004 Author Share Posted May 11, 2004 They'd probably take Lee straight up. But yes, Honel, Borchard and Lee for an iffy pitcher in his contract year is WAY too steep. I don't think they'd take Lee straight up. He's owed $9 mill next year. Seattle's been burned by bad contracts [Cirillo, then taking on Jarvis in the trade]. I agree Honel is too much. But if they're talking about taking an injured AA pitcher, they don't want someone ready for 2 years or so. Something definitely could get done here. If Ozzie is friends with Garcia, he should know whether Garcia has his head and his stuff on right [and Williams has his scouts on board saying Garcia is the real deal this year] he's a 27 year old ace, a RH SP who gets a lot of K's, and goes deep in games. Just what the Sox need in the rotation. If Garcia has a good year, he could be resigned for a 3 yr deal at $6. 7 mill per. With Lee's $9 mill off the payroll, there's his salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted May 11, 2004 Author Share Posted May 11, 2004 He has the leverage, he should push us. How so? Seattle is the team in last place and in need of a big jolt, not the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 How so? Seattle is the team in last place and in need of a big jolt, not the Sox. You think the White Sox are the only team interested in Freddy Garcia? Anyways, if they continue to go like this for another month or two, the M's will be selling off, and then they will have even more leverage. They don't HAVE to deal Garcia. Then again, we don't have to deal Lee either. It works both ways I suppose. Still, I'd say if any team has leverage, it is the M's in this case. They can deal Garcia to any team they want, so long as they get a good hitter in return. We need the pitcher, so we can't just deal Carlos to anybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Very much so. Sadly, Bill Bavasi(I think that's the M's GM's name) is not stupid, or atleast he is not THAT stupid. He has the leverage, he should push us. I think he's pretty stupid, he gave up Mike Cameron and wasted $18 million ova 3 years for Raul Ibanez. Big mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 I think Seattle would take a Lee for Garcia deal. Carlos ain't chopped liver. He's a quality major league hitter that happens to be having a slow start. He'll hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted May 12, 2004 Author Share Posted May 12, 2004 Anyways, if they continue to go like this for another month or two, the M's will be selling off, and then they will have even more leverage. They don't HAVE to deal Garcia. Then again, we don't have to deal Lee either. It works both ways I suppose. Still, I'd say if any team has leverage, it is the M's in this case. They can deal Garcia to any team they want, so long as they get a good hitter in return. We need the pitcher, so we can't just deal Carlos to anybody. I don't think the M's are in sell off mode just yet. There's probably time to turn things around for them. But they don't have a month or two to wait to get back to .500 so a deal soon [involving someone at least] should happen. There are few teams who could or would trade a quality hitter like C Lee at this point in the season. The sox are one of them though. Even cellar dwellars aren't making trades yet. That is why is trades are being talked about this early, the Sox have the pieces that Sea. may want and need. Getting Garcia would be more of a luxury for the Sox at this point. Having Diaz as an insurance policy in case someone goes down, instead of inserting him in the 5th spot, would be the ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted May 12, 2004 Author Share Posted May 12, 2004 I think Seattle would take a Lee for Garcia deal. I think someone said ESPN had the M's asking for more than Lee. Joe B, fine. But no Honel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 I think Seattle would take a Lee for Garcia deal. Carlos ain't chopped liver. He's a quality major league hitter that happens to be having a slow start. He'll hit. Can't see Carlos fittin into their outfield while they still hav Ibanez, Winn and Ichiro. We'd most likely hav to take Winn, or make it a 3 way deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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