Wise Master Buehrle Posted May 13, 2004 Share Posted May 13, 2004 If any of you haven't seen it, this is the video of the beheading of NIcholas Berg. It's extremely graphic and I reccomend you DO NOT download it if you are feint of heart. I can watch disgusting things and eat stuff, I can take a lot. But this was just bad. This has all got to stop. All of this amounts to nothing. Nuke Iraq. I don't f***ing care anymore. God WILL put an end to this sooner or later. For now, it'll be a bunch of retalitation and pointless deaths. I'm so pissed off right now. Rest in Peace Nicholas Berg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted May 13, 2004 Share Posted May 13, 2004 Mr Zero.. no offense intended.. but is it possible you can remove the link from your post and give it folks if they ask for it...? Maybe I'm out of line, but I just think it's kind of poor taste to have it linked from here.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted May 13, 2004 Author Share Posted May 13, 2004 Mr Zero.. no offense intended.. but is it possible you can remove the link from your post and give it folks if they ask for it...? Maybe I'm out of line, but I just think it's kind of poor taste to have it linked from here.. Sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 There are so many ways that I disagree with you Mre Zero on every ground possible - every ground possible - other than the fact that there are a lot of pictures floating around that we are not allowed to see by our own government that things have been done that I could take your post and change a few words and end with a Nuke the USA conclusion... please do not invoke the Name of my God with those sentiments and not expect that in the most vehement way you will be disagreed with, which I do what God will put an end to... what God opposes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted May 14, 2004 Author Share Posted May 14, 2004 Yeah, but it's really a shame no one will love their enemies. I really don't care anymore. Screw the Muslim religion, and Iraq. Sure, it's retaliation. Sure, it may have been somewhat justified (but not really, there is no justification for murder), but it just doesn't matter to me anymore. This civilization will be gone soon enough either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Yeah, but it's really a shame no one will love their enemies. I really don't care anymore. Screw the Muslim religion, and Iraq. Sure, it's retaliation. Sure, it may have been somewhat justified (but not really, there is no justification for murder), but it just doesn't matter to me anymore. This civilization will be gone soon enough either way. Nuking a nation doesn't trump murder a few million times over? I realize you are PO'd by the Berg murder as are most, and that is why you're writing in such an incendiary and hyperbolic fashion as are many here. And I know nobody really wants to live to ever see the US repeat the most vile act in the history of human wartime by again using indiscriminate nuclear force on an enemy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsSuck1 Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Nuking a nation doesn't trump murder a few million times over? I realize you are PO'd by the Berg murder as are most, and that is why you're writing in such an incendiary and hyperbolic fashion as are many here. And I know nobody really wants to live to ever see the US repeat the most vile act in the history of human wartime by again using indiscriminate nuclear force on an enemy. The situation, IMO has so much potential to be bigger than WWII. It would be different if the US got support from other nations, but that is not the case. Bush has to get the hell out of office, and anyone else needs to get in. Everybody hates Bush so much, and maybe if Kerry was in their, the s*** would stop. I don't know what it is, but this event in particular has gaiven me serious doubts about the world and about living and about humanity in my generation and in my lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 If anybody other than Baby Bush was in office we would not be in a war with Iraq. People on both sides are dying for Bush Family Vendetta and Neo-Con Ideology. The Bush Administration has marginalized the futures of my children because it is going to be hard growing up American in the world for the next couple generations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Screw the Muslim religion, and Iraq. How many millions of people are saying "Screw the Christian religion, and the United States" with a whole lot of justification. We have one reason right there that no one should have nuclear weapons, no one. If the cycle of violence and hatred is ever going to be stopped, it is not going to be by the exercise of violence and hatred. How many years of human history do we need before we grasp that. God has called us a to a better way, a higher way. Just because so very few people live by that way is not cause for abandoning that call. I read CubSuck's post and I cry. My generation (the generation of G W Bush) and those older and those younger, say, everyone over the age of 20, of every culture, faith, nationality, and citizenship, ought to seriously ask themselves if we all should not be damned to hell for eternity for the world we are giving to CubsSuck and his generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Yeah, but it's really a shame no one will love their enemies. I really don't care anymore. Screw the Muslim religion, and Iraq. Sure, it's retaliation. Sure, it may have been somewhat justified (but not really, there is no justification for murder), but it just doesn't matter to me anymore. This civilization will be gone soon enough either way. Hey, I am as blood-thirsty and/or nihilistic as the next guy..... But pre-emptive NUKING of another nation?? Are you insane or just very, very, very stupid? And don't be so quick to bury "that civilization". Rome and Goths much? All it takes is one REALLY deadly virus/bacteria and it's OUR civilization that goes under....Mad Cow is but a child's play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 other than the fact that there are a lot of pictures floating around that we are not allowed to see by our own government that things have been done that I could take your post and change a few words and end with a Nuke the USA conclusion... None of those pictures are of US Soldiers beheading Iraqi prisoners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 None of those pictures are of US Soldiers beheading Iraqi prisoners There are some things that are worse than death to some people. Secondly...what's your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Everybody hates Bush so much, and maybe if Kerry was in their, the s*** would stop. You're naive. This Islamic Fanaticism goes all the way back to the Crusades and to the eras before THAT even. All this garbage is gonna stop if Bush is voted out of the Presidency? Damn..... I wish it would be that easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 You're naive. This Islamic Fanaticism goes all the way back to the Crusades and to the eras before THAT even. All this garbage is gonna stop if Bush is voted out of the Presidency? Damn..... I wish it would be that easy. Christian fantacism dates at least from the crusades. We as Christians have no fingers to point. The historical record is repulsive. Does it end with voting Bush out? In many ways it is a necessary beginning. Given the out of touch nature of some in the administration and the open hoping we can set the trip wire for Armageddon of others in the administration and the holy call [sic] that many, including Bush have had with this whole thing, we need an administration that is dealing with the reality as it is and not trying to eschatologise this whole thing. Plus, the obvious out of touchness that Bush has and the conditions created by denial of any type of legal status and all constitutional rights as evidenced beginning in gitmo have created a field where we have seen and reaped the crop. We have issues to deal with, not a holy war. That is getting at the presuppositions of why the administration needs to be changed. I also suggest that the head of the administration is responsible and a change needs to be made to begin to heal with other peoples. When I think thatthe very conservative Senator Lindsey Graham is speaking of murders and rapes that will appall us, yes, we must make a change and do it within months, in 5+ months. CK, if someone says merely removing Bush alone brings a difference, we agree, that is naive. The Democratic nominee will bring as president a far greater grounding in reality and be freed form direct association with this administration and what it has done that gives us the only opportunity we have to turn this thing around. Bush must go. On September 11 2001 we had the support of the whole world. Bush's policies destroyed that in less than three years so now we are hated and live in the fear of what the responses to the horrors continued will be. Change must occur. CK, I wish we only didn't see you for the rare political post. I wish we had you here more often, muvh more often, for more frequent comments form you in this forum and indeed even more in the Pale Hose Side. You are a great Sox fan and person and I miss your presence here. You are always honest, and you know your Sox. I miss you, my friend. I know you will disagree with me with what I have posted above, mosty probably, but my respect for your fidelity to yourself and tyhe person you are emans that with a treasured friend we are merely exchanging insights and the respect is mutual. You are a hell of a good guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Given the out of touch nature of some in the administration and the open hoping we can set the trip wire for Armageddon of others in tjhe administration and the holy call [sic] that many, including Bush have had with this whole thing, Wow, you think that our current administration has purposely tried to set the "trip wire for Armegeddon", or in other words, play God? Please be careful how you answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Wow, you think that our current administration has purposely tried to set the "trip wire for Armegeddon", or in other words, play God? Please be careful how you answer. Please be careful how you read. Comprehension is a skill. I spoke of "some in" not "the." Discuss the difference between "some in" and "the." It is vast. Very vast. I refer you to the last four years of Christian Century for reading on that score, as well as various articles in The New Yorker, the Nation, etc. for discussions of that. There is more to say - but no. What you ignored in this thread and what you chose to imply says a great deal, everything, in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 If anybody other than Baby Bush was in office we would not be in a war with Iraq. People on both sides are dying for Bush Family Vendetta and Neo-Con Ideology. The Bush Administration has marginalized the futures of my children because it is going to be hard growing up American in the world for the next couple generations. Blah Blah Blah..... Move then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Please be careful how you read. Comprehension is a skill. I spoke of "some in" not "the." Discuss the difference between "some in" and "the." It is vast. Very vast. I refer you to the last four years of Christian Century for reading on that score, as well as various articles in The New Yorker, the Nation, etc. for discussions of that. There is more to say - but no. What you ignored in this thread and what you chose to imply says a great deal, everything, in fact. I asked, not told. Therein lies the difference. FYI, I didn't "ignore" the rest of your post, I wanted a clarification on this point. Why is it that most times some one questions you, there is this kind of response? I thought your post as a whole was a great answer to what I personally think is a statement that I disagree with (nuke Iraq). We agree on many points on this issue, so if you would please read my posts with the same kind of attitude that you're asking me to read yours. Do you have some links to what you're talking about? PM them to me, I'm interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 I, too, have been really thinking about having or not having children. Brian and I want kids in the worst way, but I don't know if I could bring a child into the world the way it is. We are still a couple years away from having a baby, so I am hoping (and praying) things get a little (at least) better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Comprehension is a skill. Yeah it is... This... -> ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 I read CubSuck's post and I cry. My generation (the generation of G W Bush) and those older and those younger, say, everyone over the age of 20, of every culture, faith, nationality, and citizenship, ought to seriously ask themselves if we all should not be damned to hell for eternity for the world we are giving to CubsSuck and his generation. Bingo! And people give me funny looks when I tell them I have no interest in having kids..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Wow, you think that our current administration has purposely tried to set the "trip wire for Armegeddon", or in other words, play God? Please be careful how you answer. I get the point of CW's post, as do you I'm sure Kap, and sure I also see that it might be unfair to say people in tha Administration are looking for a literal Armageddon (sp?). But, it is quite true that many in the Administration are the same scary PNAC crowd that have signed off on a document HOPING for something like a 9-11 (hoping, not planning, this is not conspiracy theory it is there on page 66 of the PNAC blueprints, I am not making it up) - not because they revel in tragedy of this magnitude but because a 'catalyzing event' loke a 'modern Pearl Herbor' would remove some of the impediments (the pesky former will of Americans for justice and justification of action over vengeance) to the Pax Americana they so desire. Perle, Rove, Rummy, Wolfowitz, etc. are, to a man, very dangerous people with very dangerous idaes about what the world should look like. Baby Bush is a dangerous person because he is of like mind (such as it is) and has surrounded himself with coldly calculating advisors who do have bigt plans for the world and care not if the world happens to object. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Christian fantacism dates at least from the crusades. We as Christians have no fingers to point. The historical record is repulsive. Kinda off topic, but in fact, i could argue quite well that the reason for the Islamic extremists and "jihad" today, is mostly as a result of Christian fanatacism in the Middle Ages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Kinda off topic, but in fact, i could argue quite well that the reason for the Islamic extremists and "jihad" today, is mostly as a result of Christian fanatacism in the Middle Ages Muslims and Arabs weren't exactly sweet lambs of God in the Middleages, either. Only the Jews come off relatively "clean" in that time period, but that's probably due to their small number and partide assimilation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Well killing by the thousands or millions has never stopped this country before right?? How about dropping the ol Atomic bombs back in WW2?? Hiroshima and Nagasaki were blasted big time. I wouldn't doubt it happens again in even bigger terms though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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