Wise Master Buehrle Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Will it ever end? Who's next? Cotts? Munoz? Rauch? Trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 I would think it will have to be Cotts with Wunsch coming up to take the pen spot. Hopefully Diaz can get it together though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 I think the best option for the Sox is to trade for another starter though. We will see soon enough I bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Will it ever end? Who's next? Cotts? Munoz? Rauch? Trade? no kidding, this is nuts. rauch is next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 relax guys, let's see if diaz can settle down before we decide his fate already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted May 18, 2004 Author Share Posted May 18, 2004 Diaz better be gone after this game. I don't want to see any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poccer Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 You can't consistently f***ing win if your starter each 5th game is crap like Danny Wright or Felix Diaz. KW sucks because he hasn't tried to fix this problem since he became in charge of the Sox. Everyone knew Wright wouldn't get the job done, but KW kept being stubborn. Now, we're stuck with Felix "BP" Diaz. 3 games back, here we come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Way to have patience guys! I'm glad to see you are willing to give a young guy a chance! C'mon, of the guys we've seen come up in the past few have had immediate impacts. Garland struggled at first and if he hadn't been given the chance to continue with the team wouldn't have been doing so well so soon. I'd like to see Diaz get at least another start. If he sucks again the Sox are going to have to bite the bullet and give someone else a chance. If he does well the Sox will be reaping the rewards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan79 Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 I told everbody Thursday Diaz Sucks. His stuff is no better than Dan Wrongs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poccer Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Just so you know, Diaz next start would be at the Twins. I dont know about everyone else, but there is no way in hell I would want Diaz pitching in a game like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 You can't consistently f***ing win if your starter each 5th game is crap like Danny Wright or Felix Diaz. KW sucks because he hasn't tried to fix this problem since he became in charge of the Sox. Everyone knew Wright wouldn't get the job done, but KW kept being stubborn. Now, we're stuck with Felix "BP" Diaz. 3 games back, here we come. poccer, you haven't had one, NOT FRIGGIN ONE, positive thing to add to this board. No, Diaz doesn't suck. In fact, he at least throws strikes, and your comparing him to Wright is stupid and makes you look pretty stupid. This team did the same thing to Pedro Martinez, and other pretty solid Boston pitchers, yet do they suck? My gosh - if everyone was judged on their first two starts.... Damn... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 My gosh - if everyone was judged on their first two starts.... Damn... I know, it's tough to deal with. I can't get over this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 I know, it's tough to deal with. I can't get over this. Well, dan, it pisses me off a lot. People like Brando, I can handle, because he can back his arguments up with facts, and reasoning. But others (poccer, fan79, Rector) I just cannot stand. "Blah Blah Blah, Felix Diaz sucks! I told you guys he was going to suck and that we needed to trade Joe Borchard and a bag of crap for Roy Halladay!" GAHHHH!! It just sickens me. Ignore the fact of how hot this offense has been, ignore the fact that it's his second career start at the age of 23, ignore the fact that he's pitching on three days rest, ignore the fact he warmed up and then had to sit on his ass for an hour and a half for a rain delay, ignore everything, he just plains SUCKS! Blah, I'm sorry for taking up the bandwidth. Rant over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSF Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Well, dan, it pisses me off a lot. People like Brando, I can handle, because he can back his arguments up with facts, and reasoning. But others (poccer, fan79, Rector) I just cannot stand. "Blah Blah Blah, Felix Diaz sucks! I told you guys he was going to suck and that we needed to trade Joe Borchard and a bag of crap for Roy Halladay!" GAHHHH!! It just sickens me. Ignore the fact of how hot this offense has been, ignore the fact that it's his second career start at the age of 23, ignore the fact that he's pitching on three days rest, ignore the fact he warmed up and then had to sit on his ass for an hour and a half for a rain delay, ignore everything, he just plains SUCKS! Blah, I'm sorry for taking up the bandwidth. Rant over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 I 2nd that, and in fact was going to do that on my own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Keith, I tend to agree about not jumping to conclusions on Diaz, he clearly has potential. Yet, if Williams can bring in an established starter by taking some salary off a non-contender, I'm in favor of that. It's been too long since we had solid contributions from the 5th spot. He thought Robert Person would be the guy but then he blew out his achilles. So it was obvious he wanted a veteran for the 5th spot but it didn't work and he (KW) hasn't been able to land anyone yet. After 6 weeks, we all pretty much can identify this team's weakness - that being an inconsistent offense (too RH if you ask me) and a need for some production out of the 5th spot. I have no concern with giving a young guy a chance (Wright, Diaz) but we've now had 4-5 turns out the 5th guy with no wins. In my opinion, the Sox cannot afford to wait any longer. The need has been identified - time to fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Keith, I tend to agree about not jumping to conclusions on Diaz, he clearly has potential. Yet, if Williams can bring in an established starter by taking some salary off a non-contender, I'm in favor of that. It's been too long since we had solid contributions from the 5th spot. He thought Robert Person would be the guy but then he blew out his achilles. So it was obvious he wanted a veteran for the 5th spot but it didn't work and he (KW) hasn't been able to land anyone yet. After 6 weeks, we all pretty much can identify this team's weakness - that being an inconsistent offense (too RH if you ask me) and a need for some production out of the 5th spot. I have no concern with giving a young guy a chance (Wright, Diaz) but we've now had 4-5 turns out the 5th guy with no wins. In my opinion, the Sox cannot afford to wait any longer. The need has been identified - time to fix it. And Jim, I glad you posted what Gammons said. Kris Benson would be a fine fifth starter IMO, and I think he could come relatively cheap. He carries a hefty contract. And I also agree with you, I like Diaz but if you have a pretty sure thing, and, another option that will most likely be better, then pull the trigger. Sorry if this sounds like a pipedream, but: Could Jason Kendall, possibly, in any way, play first base? He consistently gets on base at a pretty good rate (Average OBP over career at 385 IIRC). He would give us a lefty bat (much needed) in the lineup, and while he doesn't hit for power, he could be put almost anywhere in the lineup. So, here's what I'm proposing (sorry If I've lost some of you, this is a pretty crazy proposal.) Borchard-Konerko-Rauch-Mid - level guy, Munoz, perhaps? for Benson-Kendall Is that giving up too much for guys that they would basically be dumping because of their contracts? I guess it's all based on whether Kendall would be versataille enough to play first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Keith, there's a $$ issue there with Kendall I'm sure. But the idea is not terribly far fetched if judged strictly on personnel. KW clearly wants more on-base guys (smart hitters). I believe his patience is running very low with both Konerko and Lee. I respect his decision to give Konerko a chance to bounce back (or maybe he just couldn't get him dealt) - the same for sticking with Carlos Lee and hoping he'll mature into the hitter the Sox think he "can" be. You've got to believe KW sees what we see - we need another starter and we need to break up the RH lineup. While some may say the easy solution is bring up Reed, I think Reed needs at least 1/2 season and more at bats. Plus, I wonder if his wrist(s) are ok. A rent-a-player who is an established bat? The Sox did that last year, wouldn't surprise me if they did it again. I also think you will have another starting pitcher by month's end, via trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Well, something has to be done to find a 5th starter who isn't close to an automatic "L". I'm not anti-Diaz but the Sox as a team cannot afford to fall to many games behind Minnesota. It's a long season yes, but, we're in a race to July 31st. If they aren't close say adios to a few fan favorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Show, good point, the Twins continue to play well and with a lot of confidence. By the way, who is the brunette in your sig? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Keith, I tend to agree about not jumping to conclusions on Diaz, he clearly has potential. Yet, if Williams can bring in an established starter by taking some salary off a non-contender, I'm in favor of that. It's been too long since we had solid contributions from the 5th spot. He thought Robert Person would be the guy but then he blew out his achilles. So it was obvious he wanted a veteran for the 5th spot but it didn't work and he (KW) hasn't been able to land anyone yet. After 6 weeks, we all pretty much can identify this team's weakness - that being an inconsistent offense (too RH if you ask me) and a need for some production out of the 5th spot. I have no concern with giving a young guy a chance (Wright, Diaz) but we've now had 4-5 turns out the 5th guy with no wins. In my opinion, the Sox cannot afford to wait any longer. The need has been identified - time to fix it. Excellent post JimH! Hit everything I thought about right on the noggin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Well, something NEEDS to be done. I like, no, I LOVED how Kenny went out and got us a bunch of guys at around the time of the trade deadline. However, if you can make a move to improve this team now, do it. Kenny, my wishlist is this - A lefty bat and another starter. Maybe a righty in the bullpen as well. Possible targets - Benson, Garcia, Winn (Lefty Bat). There's more, I'm just pretty tired right now. But I think we're all on the same page when I say - something needs to be done, and like Show said, every time our fifth starter takes the hill it cannot just be an automatic loss. That pisses the hell out of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Show, good point, the Twins continue to play well and with a lot of confidence. By the way, who is the brunette in your sig? Dawn Yandek, she writes for Stuff Magazine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 It is time to send Diaz back down though. It's not that hard to see. The Sox brought him up to see if he could handle the big leagues(and after starting out as hot as he did in AAA, why not?). He couldn't, so why not send him back down to AAA for seasoning and maturing. He looks like he could be a solid pitcher someday. He doesn't have much for breaking stuff, but I could see him turning into a solid #3 or #4 pitcher someday. He's got decent pop on his fastball, he's just young right now. Young pitchers make mistakes like that. It's not like we(atleast me anyways...I assume others on here as well) are judging Diaz on one or two starts alone. We are judging the #5 starter as a whole this year, and a weakness is becoming more and more apparent as each day passes...the #5 starter has sucked. We need a #5 starter whose ERA will atleast be around 5.00. Give me 6 strong innings per start from my #5...is that so much to ask for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Who's next? Cotts? Munoz? Rauch? Trade? Rauch untll the trade is ready. His shoulder surgery was so serious that there is little chance he will come close to 2000 effectiveness -- he no longer tops 92mph, his curve and slider have less bite. He is out of options, but then again so are the Sox, in a way. Worth a try. Cotts is too valuable in his current role and it would take a while to stretch him out -- unless you want a SP throwing 86-mph, that is Munoz needs to work on that change-up, he is raw and I'd rather not see him before 2005. Diaz....sorry buddy, you can't choke like that in the majors. Get back to us when you rediscover a 94mph fastball with movement and a tantalizing breaking pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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