DBAHO Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Well Eaton came from the Phillies (via Andy Ashby) and Peavy didn't exactly explode onto the scene. The Pads also dealt with Tankersley and Oliver Perez's struggles and really Peavy was the only guy that panned out. At the same time, Eaton took quite a while to develop because every time he'd get rolling he'd get hurt. Peavy is a stud though. Still, 99% of all youngsters take time to develop once reaching the majors. And Aboz, for whatever reason I have some doubts about Honel. I'd like to see him come up with some better secondary pitches to go with his knuckle curve and fastball. The Padres pitchin will be even betta when they draft Jared Weaver in next month's draft. They should hav mayb held onto Perez though, who's pitchin great with the Pirates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Guess you don't pay attention to the minors, Kris Honel's down there and once he gets healthy and rolling again this year like he has since he was drafted in 2001, he'll be the next big thing pitching wise for the White Sox. Homegrown Chicago boy with nasty stuff...Can't wait. isn't his velocity still down pretty bad from what it use to i read that not so long ago.and if its tru he is having that big of problems with his velocity that cannot help his chances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 You think there's a chance the White Sox go after Randy Johnson? No way. That would hurt the team in the long run. He's 41 with bum knees & a big contract that JR will not want to pay for. Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Brewers fans would boycott if they trade Sheets after sundays game.. All 21 of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 All 21 of them? And that's including the sausages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Doug Melvin wants 3 top class prospects for Ben Sheets, a very high price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Doug Melvin wants 3 top class prospects for Ben Sheets, a very high price. I may be wrong, but aren't we a little short on those commodities these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Doug Melvin wants 3 top class prospects for Ben Sheets, a very high price. I may be wrong, but aren't we a little short on those commodities these days? In our farm system that would be Honel, Reed and Sweeney or Anderson, we'd be givin up for Ben Sheets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 If the Sox add a SP, it will probably be for a #4 or #5 guy. #1's and #2's just aren't available. Most teams are still in it. Carlos could probably be moved by the trading deadline for a top of the rotation guy, with some prospects. The only way to move PK is to take on someone else's misfit, in a salary exchange. One of the only teams I can think of that PK might fit on is LA. PK for Jeff Weaver might be decent. Both are owed about the same money over the next 2 years. I think PK and his "bat slamming after another weak popout or ground out" act has worn thin with Ozzie. PK just seems to epitomize what is wrong w/ the Sox--streaky, slow, power hitters who can't hit line drives. Weaver is no panacea. Yet he has more upside than PK at this point and could help give the Sox some innings. I see Benson along the same lines as Weaver. But Pitt. would want decent prospects that I don't think he's worth. Any trading should start with PK. Give Gload a shot full time there and have Jeremy Reed play 1B at AAA in case Gload can't do the job. At least Gload hits the ball where it's pitched, instead of trying to pull a ball a foot off the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Don't stop at a starter get a CF and lh bat in lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bartman's my idol Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 With Troy Glaus going down, trade Valentin to Anaheim for either Ortiz or Washburn, however, I don't think Washburn will be traded after his hot start. :fthecubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 We also have to remember that KW doesn't exactly have the golden touch. He acquired Todd Ritchie for Kip Wells, Sean Lowe and Josh Fogg. He traded for David Wells(5-7 before getting hurt) and he brought in Robby Alomar who stunk for us. Now we don't even have Royce Ring to be the closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Two factors in trade Traditional factor: My surplus for a need that matches your surplus for a need. We have right power, who needs righty power and has either a decent starter or lefty power to trade? New Economic factor: Who's got a contract to dump (FA type)? Dumping Kong gets a Kong. I can't believe with all out minor league arms we cannot find a reliable 5th starter. Remember we had the dream minor league system for pitching, why hasn't it paid off bigger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 All 21 of them? Attendance Statistics In a small market, Milwaukee's drawing only 2000 less than us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Now we don't even have Royce Ring to be the closer. Closer? Didn't somebody on here say that his fastball is in the 86-88 MPH range, or am I thinking of someone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 I used to be a Konerko fan, but by god I can't take another season of 1 month of hot hitting followed by a 2 month slump. Deal him...for ANYTHING. CWSOX45 I hear ya. I used to be a huge fan (look on the shelves of my 'collection' room and you will see all the cards of his that I have and the signed baseball), but I can't accept a .231 BA from him. Hopefully he gets better, but I think a change of scenery would be best for all involved (Sox, Konerko and new team). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 With Glause (sp) down for possibly the year, if we wanted Washburn it would cost us Crede. Not sure I would be against this with Uribe moving to third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick03 Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 With Glause (sp) down for possibly the year, if we wanted Washburn it would cost us Crede. Not sure I would be against this with Uribe moving to third. im not willing to give up on crede yet...im not happy with him, but i dont want to give him up quite yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxRule Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 All 21 of them? Um...isn't that the kind of statement that's made about OUR attendance and we get pissed? I wouldn't be making fun of any other team's fans when ours don't show up unless it's half price night or fireworks night or some other great promotion. But any other weeknight or weekday and we're lucky to draw 12,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 We also have to remember that KW doesn't exactly have the golden touch. He acquired Todd Ritchie for Kip Wells, Sean Lowe and Josh Fogg. He traded for David Wells(5-7 before getting hurt) and he brought in Robby Alomar who stunk for us. Now we don't even have Royce Ring to be the closer. He also traded Billy Koch(5-5 5.77 1.50 WHIP 11 saves) for Keith Foulke(9-1 2.08 WHIP 0.89 with 43 saves). The only saving grace from that trade is Neal Cotts. However, he traded Matt Guerrier for Damaso Marte and Edwin(now Ruddy) Yan. Guerrier is now with the Twins, Marte has been one of the better LH relievers in the AL the past couple years, and Yan is fast as hell(though I haven't seen what he's been doing). He also traded Aaron Miles for Juan Uribe. Miles is currently on the Rockies AAA team, while Uribe is hitting .340. He traded 3 A-ball players for Carl Everett, and all Everett did was help us damn near win a division crown. He traded essentially traded Gary Glover for Scott Schoenweis. Glover is now with the Iowa Cubs(I believe) and Schoenweis leads the AL in quality starts. Need I go on? BTW, we actually "won" the David Wells trade. Mike Sirotka never threw a pitch for the Jays, while Wells won 5 games for us and he helped Buehrle become the pitcher he is today. And Ring has been mediocre for the Mets AAA team. As someone pointed out, he has reportedly been throwing in the 85-88 range, after being touted with having a 92-95 MPH fastball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 He also traded Billy Koch(5-5 5.77 1.50 WHIP 11 saves) for Keith Foulke(9-1 2.08 WHIP 0.89 with 43 saves). The only saving grace from that trade is Neal Cotts. However, he traded Matt Guerrier for Damaso Marte and Edwin(now Ruddy) Yan. Guerrier is now with the Twins, Marte has been one of the better LH relievers in the AL the past couple years, and Yan is fast as hell(though I haven't seen what he's been doing). He also traded Aaron Miles for Juan Uribe. Miles is currently on the Rockies AAA team, while Uribe is hitting .340. He traded 3 A-ball players for Carl Everett, and all Everett did was help us damn near win a division crown. He traded essentially traded Gary Glover for Scott Schoenweis. Glover is now with the Iowa Cubs(I believe) and Schoenweis leads the AL in quality starts. Need I go on? BTW, we actually "won" the David Wells trade. Mike Sirotka never threw a pitch for the Jays, while Wells won 5 games for us and he helped Buehrle become the pitcher he is today. And Ring has been mediocre for the Mets AAA team. As someone pointed out, he has reportedly been throwing in the 85-88 range, after being touted with having a 92-95 MPH fastball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Was Rupe and Webster in the Everett deal or Alomar deal? If he was in the Alomar deal, it didn't help us much. It could go both ways for the Everett deal as well although I would have taken Everett cause we were in a pennent race. And Wing (I said it before and I'll say it again) was really overrated when he was here. He is getting rocked at AAA as we speak and we passed on Blanton for this guy. Not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Was Rupe and Webster in the Everett deal or Alomar deal? If he was in the Alomar deal, it didn't help us much. It could go both ways for the Everett deal as well although I would have taken Everett cause we were in a pennent race. And Wing (I said it before and I'll say it again) was really overrated when he was here. He is getting rocked at AAA as we speak and we passed on Blanton for this guy. Not good. They were both in the Everett deal. Also with the Koch trade, it sucked for last year, but what does oakland have to show for it now? I know most everyone hates koch, but he's 6 of 7 in save opportunites and has done his job, and also got a stud pitcher out of it in cotts who eventually is going to be one hell of a starting pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Don't forget, KW did get Olivo for Chad Braford. Sure Braford has been good for Oakland, but Olivo is a future all-star with a cannon of an arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Don't forget, KW did get Olivo for Chad Braford. Sure Braford has been good for Oakland, but Olivo is a future all-star with a cannon of an arm. We did? But I read in Moneyball... That's just another example of KW doing a good job. A couple others I just thought of a few minutes ago...Lofton for Diaz and Meaux? Bobby Howry(now with Cleveland) for Byeong Hak-An and Francisco Franklin(who was part of the trade for Everett)? Sandy for Enemencio Pacheco(the funniest thing about that deal is that Sandy played for Colorado for half a year and then resigned with us, and Pacheco has become a damn good pitcher for us). There are probably others that he has made too, and there are probably some he has not made. Obviously, we all make a Royce Clayton-like blunder now and then, but we get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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