Rowand44 Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 Ok I'm sure some people aren't going to like this but I thought I'd bring it up. In my opinion not only would this help the pitching staff it would help the offense. I know Benson would be a risk but I think at worse he'd be a solid 5th starter and who knows with a change of scenery he might start living up to some of his potential. Salary wise for this year it's pretty much a wash and the Pirates would probably do this trade and probably do it right now. They could use a power hitting outfielder and they've wanted to trade Benson for a while now. With Lee gone you could put Gload in left field and see if he could produce and balance out the lineup a little more with another left handed bat(it's amazing how well the sox hit with three lefties out there) and if gload couldn't produce as an every day player(but i think he would) then reed could still be an answer in aaa. I personally would love a trade like this but I'm sure there are many of you who would be real opposed to it, I just thought I'd bring it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 We'd have to get more than Benson. Hell, he may break down tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 IMO it wouldn't take Lee to get Benson. Hell, the Cubs got Aramis Ramirez for basically jack squat last season, along with Lofton, Simon, etc. I also (I think I'm in the minority here, but I dont know) like Benson a lot, and I really think he could be a good asset to this team in the fifth starter role. In fact, I think he could put up a 4.00 to 4.30 ERA in that role for us, which I would take out of a fifth starter. Kenny needs to make a move for a fifth starter ASAP. Whether it's giving Rauch another shot, trading for someone, whatever it takes, we cannot continue to trot out guys who aren't ready (physically like Cotts, or Diaz who was overmatched at this point) for the bigs. I hope Kenny made a few calls after this game. At this point Cotts is a key asset to the bullpen, I really really hope this doesn't screw with his mindset, and he should continue to pitch where he's pitched well (don't fix what isn't broken.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 That trade is laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 If Lee is being traded Id expect a lot better than Benson. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 23, 2004 Author Share Posted May 23, 2004 That trade is laughable. Haha, I knew someone was going to say that. I just think either Carlos or PK must go and I'd rather it be carlos. I just think pitt would be willing to make a trade right away and if the sox were to trade for Garcia it's going to take a while. I also believe the pirates would take Lee straight up while the mariners wouldn't. Addition by subtraction for the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 Haha, I knew someone was going to say that. I just think either Carlos or PK must go and I'd rather it be carlos. I just think pitt would be willing to make a trade right away and if the sox were to trade for Garcia it's going to take a while. I also believe the pirates would take Lee straight up while the mariners wouldn't. Addition by subtraction for the offense. Get em to throw in Bryan Bullington and I might think bout it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 I dont even think Benson will pan out if he comes to the AL, hes already got over a 4.5 era, and his whip is 1.64, with a BAA of .298. Now if you were to take away the pitcher who is almost an automatic out in the NL, he could be looking at a 5+ era in the AL. The difference between facing Sandy Alomar or Olivo vs even the best hitting pitcher is pretty drastic. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 23, 2004 Author Share Posted May 23, 2004 I dont even think Benson will pan out if he comes to the AL, hes already got over a 4.5 era, and his whip is 1.64, with a BAA of .298. Now if you were to take away the pitcher who is almost an automatic out in the NL, he could be looking at a 5+ era in the AL. The difference between facing Sandy Alomar or Olivo vs even the best hitting pitcher is pretty drastic. SB Like I said change of scenery could help him a lot. Maybe working with coop would help too. I think at worse benson would be a solid 5th starter and atleast give the sox a chance to win. To me getting rid of Carlos is a huge plus and one way or another has to be done. If the sox could get rid of Carlos and get Garcia, I'd much rather have that then benson, I just don't think Lee for Garcia straight up would go down, but if that deal was possible I'd absolutely love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 Benson for Lee? Man, what is with the Carlos Lee haters? I realize he hasn't fully lived up to his talent. But you guys seriously under value him. We can do a hell of a lot better than, Benson. I'm not sayin Lee is untouchable. But c'mon now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 23, 2004 Author Share Posted May 23, 2004 Benson for Lee? Man, what is with the Carlos Lee haters? I realize he hasn't fully lived uo to his talent. But you guys seriously under value him. We can do a hell of a lot better than, Benson. I'm not sayin Lee is untouchable. But c'mon now. To be fair to everyone else, I'm the only one who has been in favor of this trade. Even if Carlos gets hot, he still won't come up with clutch hits and is a bonehead on the basepaths and at the plate and I'm tired of his play, even when he was having a good year last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 To be fair to everyone else, I'm the only one who has been in favor of this trade. Even if Carlos gets hot, he still won't come up with clutch hits and is a bonehead on the basepaths and at the plate and I'm tired of his play, even when he was having a good year last year. I'm not sayin Carlos doesn't have faults. But he had a heck of a year last year and is starting to get things goin this year. I'm looking at Benson's career stats right now. 38-44 with a career 4.29 era. Add to that you have to go back to 2000 the last time he made 30 plus starts. He's very injury prone. I want nothin to do with him. Not for Carlos anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 23, 2004 Author Share Posted May 23, 2004 I'm not sayin Carlos doesn't have faults. But he had a heck of a year last year and is starting to get things goin this year. I'm looking at Benson's career stats right now. 38-44 with a career 4.29 era. Add to that you have to go back to 2000 the last time he made 30 plus starts. He's very injury prone. I want nothin to do with him. Not for Carlos anyway. Fair enough I see your point, I happen to think differently but we'll agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 I think if the Sox wait another week maybe 2 at most, I bet they could trade Lee for Garcia. An even bigger trade they could trade Lee and Valentin for Garcia and Winn. It would shake up both lineups and hopefully bring the Sox over the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 23, 2004 Author Share Posted May 23, 2004 Well after what rex said that the sox won't need a 5th starter until june 13th, then the right thing to do is probably wait if Garcia could be available close to then. If the sox could trade Lee and Valentin for Garcia and Winn that would be absolutely awesome even with Winn having a down year right now. That would give the sox another very good starter and a true centerfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 dont look now but lee is on a 10 game hitting streak.... i love lee and i hope we never get rid of him especially for a pitcher like benson maybe if it was freddy garcia i would be willing to depart with lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 Ok I'm sure some people aren't going to like this but I thought I'd bring it up. In my opinion not only would this help the pitching staff it would help the offense. I know Benson would be a risk but I think at worse he'd be a solid 5th starter and who knows with a change of scenery he might start living up to some of his potential. Salary wise for this year it's pretty much a wash and the Pirates would probably do this trade and probably do it right now. They could use a power hitting outfielder and they've wanted to trade Benson for a while now. With Lee gone you could put Gload in left field and see if he could produce and balance out the lineup a little more with another left handed bat(it's amazing how well the sox hit with three lefties out there) and if gload couldn't produce as an every day player(but i think he would) then reed could still be an answer in aaa. I personally would love a trade like this but I'm sure there are many of you who would be real opposed to it, I just thought I'd bring it up. Not a chance in hell. I'm not interested in Benson because he has an injury history. If the Sox are going to give up Lee, then they should look no further then Freddy Garcia and if they can try to acquire a left handed bat that could help them as well. I think if the Sox made that deal you'd see Gload play in left and Harris would play in center with Timo and Rowand getting ocassional playing time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 Haha, I knew someone was going to say that. I just think either Carlos or PK must go and I'd rather it be carlos. I just think pitt would be willing to make a trade right away and if the sox were to trade for Garcia it's going to take a while. I also believe the pirates would take Lee straight up while the mariners wouldn't. Addition by subtraction for the offense. It be PK in a heartbeat. Lee can do a lot more things then Konerko and he isn't near the double play threat. Also, I think Lee has much more upside and while Lee's numbers aren't amazing this year, he'll get hot like he always does. If it was PK for Benson and Makoviak then maybe, but even that I don't know if I'd do. Benson has a WHIP of 1.64 which is pretty brutal and his ERA is just under 5. Put him in the AL where he doesn't have to face the pitcher and I guarantee his ERA is about 5. In closing, I don't even want to think about acquiring Benson...the guy is so over-rated and this doesn't even take into account he has an awful contract and is incredibly injury prone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 23, 2004 Author Share Posted May 23, 2004 It be PK in a heartbeat. Lee can do a lot more things then Konerko and he isn't near the double play threat. Also, I think Lee has much more upside and while Lee's numbers aren't amazing this year, he'll get hot like he always does. If it was PK for Benson and Makoviak then maybe, but even that I don't know if I'd do. Benson has a WHIP of 1.64 which is pretty brutal and his ERA is just under 5. Put him in the AL where he doesn't have to face the pitcher and I guarantee his ERA is about 5. In closing, I don't even want to think about acquiring Benson...the guy is so over-rated and this doesn't even take into account he has an awful contract and is incredibly injury prone. I'm not that high on Benson either, I'd much rather get Garcia. Basically I was just throwing it out there for a couple reasons. I don't like Lee, he's just to dumb a player for me, but I'm not sure if you agree but I really think for this offense to be consistant they're going to have to unload either pk or lee, I through Benson's name out there because Pitt would probably be willing to do something like that. I'd much much rather have Freddy or Schmidt as you mentioned in another thread but I doubt the Giants would trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 Haha, I knew someone was going to say that. I just think either Carlos or PK must go and I'd rather it be carlos. I just think pitt would be willing to make a trade right away and if the sox were to trade for Garcia it's going to take a while. I also believe the pirates would take Lee straight up while the mariners wouldn't. Addition by subtraction for the offense. Why must Lee or Konerko go? Lee is an all-star waiting in the wings and Konerko is an all-star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 23, 2004 Author Share Posted May 23, 2004 Why must Lee or Konerko go? Lee is an all-star waiting in the wings and Konerko is an all-star. To much right handed power. It seems everytime there is more balance in the lineup the more runs the sox will score. I'm taking this proposal back Benson for Lee was a stupid idea from me. I still think one of pk or clee must go but Lee for Benson was just a dumb idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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