Bighurt52235 Posted February 22, 2003 Author Share Posted February 22, 2003 Baggio, when you say that we have no one from the White Flag Trade, you could say that we have Willie Harris (Singleton) and Billy Koch (Foulke). Because without those guys, we wouldn't have them. I think Howry and Caruso came with that deal also, right. We don't have them anymore, but so what. At the time of the trade is when I was first becoming a ChiSox fan and baseball fan, so I didn't really think anything of it at the time. But in retrospect, it does look like a bad deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedPinStripes Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 I'm just a loud mouth idiot with a low budget internet radio station. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 Baggio, when you say that we have no one from the White Flag Trade, you could say that we have Willie Harris (Singleton) and Billy Koch (Foulke). Because without those guys, we wouldn't have them. That's nitpicking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 You are, in effect, saying that we should have "white-flagged" every season with the exception of those previously mentioned. I am saying no such thing, cubkilla. Those were different teams with different circumstances, so you might as well leave them out, mmkay? Quit yer extrapolatin'. It's like me saying that, according to yor logic, there'd be NO perfect time to EVER overhaul a rotting and dying team. Look, it's great to live in a la-la land and think that Reindorf would have kept everybody past 97, perhaps expanding the payroll to 80 Million pulling Colon-esque trades and successfully transforming the Sox into the Yankees of the Midwest...BUT IT WASN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. We wouldn't be good enough to overtake Cleveland in 98-99 seasons regardless. So SOMETHING had to be sacrifized and it was the (15%) chance at catching the Tribe in 97. Cry me a river. Bottomline: everything depends on whether or not we were going to catch Cleveland, and considering how TRULY mediocre we were, it wasn't going to happen. Ultimately, we gave up MANY millions worth of old and overrated players in exchange for 6 solid prosects, 4 of which were VERY productive almost immediately (not many complained when Barcelo was wowing scouts with his filthy stuff and uncanny maturity and fast-running SS Caruso was making the jump from A to the bigs in only one year and was very successful therein despite being only 20, the move that in all fairness looks ill-advised now, but that's besides the point)...Hindsight is 20/20, isn't it? Kinda like me dismissing our chances in 97 (It's also highly debateable whether Sox lost fans because of WFT as Sox fans have pretty much abandoned the team after the 94-95 seasons.) ETA: I completely forgot about the Bevington Factor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 (It's also highly debateable whether Sox lost fans because of WFT as Sox fans have pretty much abandoned the team after the 94-95 seasons.) We lost some attendance because of JR's role in the 94 lock out in what was to be our year. If we lost any fans, they weren't real fans. I know that in 2000 in conversations with folks at the games, I heard more than a few times it was their first trip to see the Sox since 94. Even I managed to miss an entire season with Bevington as manager. While normally the 205 mile one way trip seems like a piece of cake, when Bevington was managing, it was an insurmountable distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 It's like me saying that, according to yor logic, there'd be NO perfect time to EVER overhaul a rotting and dying team. You overhaul in the offseason. You overhaul in July when you're 15-20 games out of first place and fighting the sCrUBS for the cellar. You overhaul due to injuries or retirements. YOU DO NOT OVERHAUL WHEN YOU'RE 3 GAMES OUT OF FIRST PLACE..... I don't care who's on the team, what their contract situations are, or how realistic their chance is of getting to first place. But, if you don't understand that now, you never will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 I really enjoy listening to them announce my favorite games (White Sox baseball). I like that they are both former players, because that gives them a much greater knowledge of what the hell is going on, and I like to here stories from when they played. I just payed my first visit to the whitesox.com message board, and the first thing I see is unintelligent bad mouthing of Darrin Jackson. Luckily, Baggio and CW came in and made sense on the subject. I don't think I'll attend that site again. I really like the Home run call ( I won't beat a dead horse there), but they pretty well suck otherwise. Can't we get Pat Foley & Dale Tallon to come over from the Blackhawks to do some Sox games in the off season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 Can't we get Pat Foley & Dale Tallon to come over from the Blackhawks to do some Sox games in the off season? oh dear that would give us announcers who have never seen a winning team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 I'm just a loud mouth idiot with a low budget internet radio station. are we supposed to agree or disagree with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 I don't care who's on the team, what their contract situations are, or how realistic their chance is of getting to first place Thank God you are not a major league GM then. But, if you don't understand that now, you never will. oh, the horror! In all seriousness Cubkilla, I was VERY upset at the timing of the trade (well, you know how 14 year olds ARE about betrayal and stuff...) and OF COURSE, ideally, 3.5 games out of first place with more than a month to go isn't exactly the best time to rebuild...but, apparently Shueller had a different take (that one that agrees with me or vice versa) on OUR CHANCES that year as the deadline was looming and then came SanFrancisco with a hot offer (like I said, trading for 4 A/A-minus list prospects for overpaid and overrated veterans? Every other GM's dream)......... Again, numbers could be misleading; in 2001 we had NO chance catching Cleveland IMO even though we came within the same 3.5 games during the weekend at the Metrodome. So, do you think Kenny Wiliams wouldn't have JUMPED at the chance to trade Valentin/Clayton, Wells and Carlos Lee for 4 Willie Harris/Diaz-type prospects if such takers were to be found? And 2001 (the year when we were supposed to be even more dominant than in 2000) is in no way compareable to the 1997 fiasco when we were old and payroll was almost 20 million higher, mind you...I think you are letting your personal philosophy (never trade while out by only single digits, etc) and fan's bias get in the way of the much bigger picture and baseball reality. IMO, had Barcelo's pitching arm not exploded in 2000 and had Caruso been seasoned a bit more in AA/AAA and kicked his drug habit, the WFT could have been looked upon as one of the best in a decade. Too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Hey guys! I didnt even know about this sight. To be honest, i think hawk and DJ suck, but hey, theyre ours... O s***! The man, the legend, theeeeeeeee BMR has found us. lol welcome! LOL, hey dude, is there a HITLER over here too? If not, I may spend more time over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedPinStripes Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Hey guys! I didnt even know about this sight. To be honest, i think hawk and DJ suck, but hey, theyre ours... O s***! The man, the legend, theeeeeeeee BMR has found us. lol welcome! LOL, hey dude, is there a HITLER over here too? If not, I may spend more time over here. Wanna know how things are around here? I'M A MOD! And you see how i post LOL! Freedom is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 had Caruso been seasoned a bit more in AA/AAA and kicked his drug habit oh? I always wondered why he never got better and just regressed to nothingness. I had no idea about this. Another career lost to drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Hey guys! I didnt even know about this sight. To be honest, i think hawk and DJ suck, but hey, theyre ours... O s***! The man, the legend, theeeeeeeee BMR has found us. lol welcome! LOL, hey dude, is there a HITLER over here too? If not, I may spend more time over here. Wanna know how things are around here? I'M A MOD! And you see how i post LOL! Freedom is good. I'm home!! WOOOOHOOOO, lol. Damn, the internet is supposed to be about freedom, not manners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedPinStripes Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 I was trying to get hold of you before to get you over here when you were banned, but no such info was available since i was banned and you were from a certain site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjmarte Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Hey guys! I didnt even know about this sight. To be honest, i think hawk and DJ suck, but hey, theyre ours... O s***! The man, the legend, theeeeeeeee BMR has found us. lol welcome! LOL, hey dude, is there a HITLER over here too? If not, I may spend more time over here. I'm so glad to see you here. I'm sorry that I had anything to do with you getting banned "over there". I could brawl all day and not take it personally. The people who run this place are awesome and for the most part it moderates itself. Ok, lets brawl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Hey guys! I didnt even know about this sight. To be honest, i think hawk and DJ suck, but hey, theyre ours... O s***! The man, the legend, theeeeeeeee BMR has found us. lol welcome! LOL, hey dude, is there a HITLER over here too? If not, I may spend more time over here. I'm so glad to see you here. I'm sorry that I had anything to do with you getting banned "over there". I could brawl all day and not take it personally. The people who run this place are awesome and for the most part it moderates itself. Ok, lets brawl. You had something to do with my banning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedPinStripes Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Hey guys! I didnt even know about this sight. To be honest, i think hawk and DJ suck, but hey, theyre ours... O s***! The man, the legend, theeeeeeeee BMR has found us. lol welcome! LOL, hey dude, is there a HITLER over here too? If not, I may spend more time over here. I'm so glad to see you here. I'm sorry that I had anything to do with you getting banned "over there". I could brawl all day and not take it personally. The people who run this place are awesome and for the most part it moderates itself. Ok, lets brawl. And i wont stop it or move it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjmarte Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Hey guys! I didnt even know about this sight. To be honest, i think hawk and DJ suck, but hey, theyre ours... O s***! The man, the legend, theeeeeeeee BMR has found us. lol welcome! LOL, hey dude, is there a HITLER over here too? If not, I may spend more time over here. I'm so glad to see you here. I'm sorry that I had anything to do with you getting banned "over there". I could brawl all day and not take it personally. The people who run this place are awesome and for the most part it moderates itself. Ok, lets brawl. You had something to do with my banning? Only in the sense that it was a brawl with me that kicked off a chain of events that eventually led to you being banned. I'm not the one who made daver a nazi or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Hey guys! I didnt even know about this sight. To be honest, i think hawk and DJ suck, but hey, theyre ours... O s***! The man, the legend, theeeeeeeee BMR has found us. lol welcome! LOL, hey dude, is there a HITLER over here too? If not, I may spend more time over here. I'm so glad to see you here. I'm sorry that I had anything to do with you getting banned "over there". I could brawl all day and not take it personally. The people who run this place are awesome and for the most part it moderates itself. Ok, lets brawl. You had something to do with my banning? Only in the sense that it was a brawl with me that kicked off a chain of events that eventually led to you being banned. I'm not the one who made daver a nazi or anything. Daver? That dude is such a f**. I think he lives up in the mountains and f***s his goats too often, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjmarte Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Hey guys! I didnt even know about this sight. To be honest, i think hawk and DJ suck, but hey, theyre ours... O s***! The man, the legend, theeeeeeeee BMR has found us. lol welcome! LOL, hey dude, is there a HITLER over here too? If not, I may spend more time over here. I'm so glad to see you here. I'm sorry that I had anything to do with you getting banned "over there". I could brawl all day and not take it personally. The people who run this place are awesome and for the most part it moderates itself. Ok, lets brawl. You had something to do with my banning? Only in the sense that it was a brawl with me that kicked off a chain of events that eventually led to you being banned. I'm not the one who made daver a nazi or anything. Daver? That dude is such a f**. I think he lives up in the mountains and f***s his goats too often, lol. Watch it. I don't post over there anymore so he can't do anything to me. If you plan on posting over there watch what you say here so he doesn't hold it against you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Hey guys! I didnt even know about this sight. To be honest, i think hawk and DJ suck, but hey, theyre ours... O s***! The man, the legend, theeeeeeeee BMR has found us. lol welcome! LOL, hey dude, is there a HITLER over here too? If not, I may spend more time over here. I'm so glad to see you here. I'm sorry that I had anything to do with you getting banned "over there". I could brawl all day and not take it personally. The people who run this place are awesome and for the most part it moderates itself. Ok, lets brawl. You had something to do with my banning? Only in the sense that it was a brawl with me that kicked off a chain of events that eventually led to you being banned. I'm not the one who made daver a nazi or anything. Daver? That dude is such a f**. I think he lives up in the mountains and f***s his goats too often, lol. Watch it. I don't post over there anymore so he can't do anything to me. If you plan on posting over there watch what you say here so he doesn't hold it against you. That loser already hates me, who cares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedPinStripes Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 And word does get around. They're watching you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 And word does get around. They're watching you. Actually I am just joking man. Hes not all that bad. I was just seeing if i could say f*** and f** lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedPinStripes Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 I remember BJ's final thread. Boy did that start some s***. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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