BrandoFan Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 Hey Rex, since you are floating around, did you catch the question about Rauch's velocity being back to pre-surgery levels? I hope I eat my words, and I was always a huge Rauch backer......but his velocity will never be to the 2000 levels (anywhere from 92 to 95), but what's worse his slider and curve have less bite and control. He can't generate old arm speed and the range of motion isn't the same -- that's what you get after a complicated shoulder surgery. The only way for him to return to his pre-injury "stuff" would be to 1) Pitch through pain 2) Risk re-injuring himself. He can still be a good pitcher, but he will never be what he was then. Not gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 I was thinking the same thing. Even though no one likes an asshole I think that Rauch is probably sick of getting interviewed. dan, just trust me on this one..... it is more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 I hope I eat my words, and I was always a huge Rauch backer......but his velocity will never be to the 2000 levels (anywhere from 92 to 95), but what's worse his slider and curve have less bite and control. He can't generate old arm speed and the range of motion isn't the same -- that's what you get after a complicated shoulder surgery. The only way for him to return to his pre-injury "stuff" would be to 1) Pitch through pain 2) Risk re-injuring himself. He can still be a good pitcher, but he will never be what he was then. Not gonna happen. Have you seen him pitch to state his curve and slider have less bite and control? Not trying to start anything, just wondering how you're sure of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 Hey Jason, be careful not to strain your shoulder patting yourself on the back so hard. Don't worry, I have had years of stretching that shoulder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 I'm almost positive Jon Rauch never touched 95 on any radar. His tops even when he was tearing it up before the injury at A was 93. I watched him ever since he started dominating for the Bees I believe it was. As big as he is, he never has been a power pitcher, just had superior control at that size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 To reiterate my point, Jon Rauch is a complete prick and I wouldn't care if his arm fell off and he never threw another pitch in his life. And no he has no obligation to be nice to fans, just as I have no obligation to say I hope he makes it on this board. It works both ways. And about Borchard, it is fine if you want to rip into me about my praise and like for him, but it is for the fact that he took time out of his schedule to do an interview for this very site and has on other occasion taken his time when he could have been doing other things to talk with me. That is something I can appreciate. If you'd have seen first hand the way Jon Rauch treats fans here in Kentucky (and he is from here; and no this is not just on one occasion) you will realize my reasons for not liking him. But since you are not in my shoes and do not know exactly what I am talking about, perhaps you don't understand. And that is fine, because I respect ya Cerbaho and your points are well-taken always in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 Have you seen him pitch to state his curve and slider have less bite and control? No, never have - mommy won't let me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 Hey Aboz...don't worry about it. Everyone for whatever reason has a few players they just really don't like. I'm not a big fan of Rauch, but I do hope for the Sox sake that he can figure things out and dominate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 Hey Aboz...don't worry about it. Everyone for whatever reason has a few players they just really don't like. I'm not a big fan of Rauch, but I do hope for the Sox sake that he can figure things out and dominate. I'm not worried about it, just tired of having to tell people why I am such a big Borchard fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 I'm not worried about it, just tired of having to tell people why I am such a big Borchard fan. I'm a big Borchard fan because he seems like a great guy, however I have my doubts on whether he will develop or not. Thats definately a reason to be a fan of a player. He also seems to play the game hard. I just hope he can put all his tools together and that he's got things figured out mentally and that he will also stay healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 Thats whats fun about being a fan. You can choose who to like, who to not like, for whatever reasons you like. I like aboz's reasons for liking, and not liking players personally. I usually get caught up in hating a player because he's not performing, but if I knew any personally it would give me a better view of liking someone or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 To reiterate my point, Jon Rauch is a complete prick and I wouldn't care if his arm fell off and he never threw another pitch in his life. And no he has no obligation to be nice to fans, just as I have no obligation to say I hope he makes it on this board. It works both ways. And about Borchard, it is fine if you want to rip into me about my praise and like for him, but it is for the fact that he took time out of his schedule to do an interview for this very site and has on other occasion taken his time when he could have been doing other things to talk with me. That is something I can appreciate. If you'd have seen first hand the way Jon Rauch treats fans here in Kentucky (and he is from here; and no this is not just on one occasion) you will realize my reasons for not liking him. But since you are not in my shoes and do not know exactly what I am talking about, perhaps you don't understand. And that is fine, because I respect ya Cerbaho and your points are well-taken always in my book. So I guess we won't be getting a "Good Five Minutes with Jon Rauch"? My opinion is this - if he can pitch well for us, I don't care how he acts. Aboz, I have a question. J-Hood, a local radio personality (Don't know if you know him or not), has always said that Jon Garland rubs him the wrong way. Have you ever talked/spent time with Garland? Is he a good guy or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 No, never have - mommy won't let me. Figures. She lets you type nonstop though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 So I guess we won't be getting a "Good Five Minutes with Jon Rauch"? My opinion is this - if he can pitch well for us, I don't care how he acts. Aboz, I have a question. J-Hood, a local radio personality (Don't know if you know him or not), has always said that Jon Garland rubs him the wrong way. Have you ever talked/spent time with Garland? Is he a good guy or what? I know nothing about the person Jon Garland is, but the times I've met him briefly, twice at Soxfest this past year, he seemed to be a very nice guy...Didn't say much but he definitely didn't rub me the wrong way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 Garland is quiet and can come across as a bit aloof, but I just think that is the way he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 I'm almost positive Jon Rauch never touched 95 on any radar. His tops even when he was tearing it up before the injury at A was 93 Disagree. Even as early as 2002, in his call-up, he was hitting 92-94 (93-96 on the "fast" Comiskullar gun). In that start in the s***holedome, he even registered a couple of K's on a 95mph heat - above the belt of course And that was post-injury. Plus I've seen him pitch in 2000, too - consistently 91-93, reaching mid-90s once in a while. Not a true power pitcher - but not a finesser either. Incidentally, that's the velocity range most publications had him in 'round that time. Not that it matters much since those days are g-o-n-e. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 To reiterate my point, Jon Rauch is a complete prick and I wouldn't care if his arm fell off and he never threw another pitch in his life You can't do that. Ben Christensen was always a fair game, but Rauch? Never harmed anyone in his life as far as I know, few bruised egos not withstanding. Let's save some of this vibe for the likes of Robert Fick, John Rocker and Sammy Sosa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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