OfficerKarkovice Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 According to Top Prospect alert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 BOOOO!!! I say were about 15-18, but with all the young talent we have we'll be back in the top five with in 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 ouch.. but they are right in a way... kw is starting to leave the cupboards bare....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 Good to see Top Prospect alert was right to add Honel to a prospect to watch. Too bad they f***ed this up though. No way our farm system is number 22 in all of baseball. I can think of 4 or 5 right off the top of my head that are much worse than ours. Alas..... I don't put much faith in lists anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 They did not have very many good things to say about Borchard But the more I hear about Munoz' cuurve the more I wanna see it! It better buckle mass knee's with all the good s*** I've been hearing about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 First off, if you have any minor league team win a championship you should get some extra respect and i think we had two of them (Birmingham and Bristol, no?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 respect for that yes but guess what .. whos playing there this year???? thats what they are talking about..........the replacements for these guys are not coming in fast enough to fill the spots.........we have some talent but not enough... and its deminishing each year kw is in charge up here............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 respect for that yes but guess what .. whos playing there this year???? thats what they are talking about..........the replacements for these guys are not coming in fast enough to fill the spots.........we have some talent but not enough... and its deminishing each year kw is in charge up here............. And some of the guys that they have as rated prospects (Rauch and Olivo) should be with the Big League team come Opening Day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 respect for that yes but guess what .. whos playing there this year???? thats what they are talking about..........the replacements for these guys are not coming in fast enough to fill the spots.........we have some talent but not enough... and its deminishing each year kw is in charge up here............. And some of the guys that they have as rated prospects (Rauch and Olivo) should be with the Big League team come Opening Day. true.....they will be up here...........which leaves even more gone from down below as replenishments........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 true.....they will be up here...........which leaves even more gone from down below as replenishments........... And that scares me, especially if we are contending this year and JR gives KW the green light to make a few trades. Since KW has thrown in 2 or 3 minor leaguers (and some good ones; see Joe Valentine) in every deal for the past year and one-half to two years, he may very well trade away the future if the White Sox are in serious contention this year in an "All or Nothing" approach to winning the WS. God knows KW has been bamboozled before..... I bet Billy Beane is hoping and praying for a great White Sox season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 thats exactly the point on why we are so far down the line on the prospect list and rankings for our farm system... what kills me is that jr being the big homegrown type of guy he is.....let kw get away with trading off all the top talent...........kw started his term with a division winning major league team and a #1 ranked farm system.... see how fast it faded away under his control........and you guys wonder why i cant stand him as gm.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 thats exactly the point on why we are so far down the line on the prospect list and rankings for our farm system. I still don't think we're number 22 though. JMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 maybe not 22 but we sure aint 1 anymore .......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 maybe not 22 but we sure aint 1 anymore .......... You're right..... as always Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 I KNOW................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 basically we are calling up 5 prospects this year..plus we got rid of valentine for two guys that arnt nearly as rated as high as him....we have no catching propect at all in the sytem now..our SS and CF prospects arnt due until '06 at the earliest...overll our outfield prospects dont look to strong once joe arrives... pitching still looks pretty deep and is the strongest part of the system...but it is thinning as each year goes on... last year we were about 15 , right??...this year after losing alot of prospects to call ups and valentine to a trade dropping 7 spots is about right...time to reload the system with a good draft this year.... also KW shouldnt trade away players at the deadline (especially trades like durham for adkins)he thinks he cant resign..let them go and take the sandwich pick..thats how billy beane operates on a budget like our or less and still keeps oakland very competitive...he gets 2 or 3 first round or sandwich picks every year...that pays off after awhile... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 also KW shouldnt trade away players at the deadline (especially trades like durham for adkins)he thinks he cant resign..let them go and take the sandwich pick..thats how billy beane operates on a budget like our or less and still keeps oakland very competitive...he gets 2 or 3 first round or sandwich picks every year...that pays off after awhile... My thoughts exactly(UNLESS it is a player like Lofton that we are trading and we would be getting two pretty good arms in return). It wouldn't hurt getting a good defensive catcher that is coming out of college....give him 2-3 years, and he would be able to be up. Also in that round we could be getting a very, very good player with raw talent. And every once in a while, you'll get lucky and get a 38th round draft pick and he turns out to be your ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 also KW shouldnt trade away players at the deadline (especially trades like durham for adkins)he thinks he cant resign..let them go and take the sandwich pick..thats how billy beane operates on a budget like our or less and still keeps oakland very competitive...he gets 2 or 3 first round or sandwich picks every year...that pays off after awhile... My thoughts exactly(UNLESS it is a player like Lofton that we are trading and we would be getting two pretty good arms in return). It wouldn't hurt getting a good defensive catcher that is coming out of college....give him 2-3 years, and he would be able to be up. Also in that round we could be getting a very, very good player with raw talent. And every once in a while, you'll get lucky and get a 38th round draft pick and he turns out to be your ace. Damn! Why weren't you guys here when that trade was made? Everyone ripped on me saying that we'd have gotten nothing for Ray if we didn't trade him. I was saying we'd be better off with the pick instead of a 6.+ ERA pitcher in Adkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 also KW shouldnt trade away players at the deadline (especially trades like durham for adkins)he thinks he cant resign..let them go and take the sandwich pick..thats how billy beane operates on a budget like our or less and still keeps oakland very competitive...he gets 2 or 3 first round or sandwich picks every year...that pays off after awhile... My thoughts exactly(UNLESS it is a player like Lofton that we are trading and we would be getting two pretty good arms in return). It wouldn't hurt getting a good defensive catcher that is coming out of college....give him 2-3 years, and he would be able to be up. Also in that round we could be getting a very, very good player with raw talent. And every once in a while, you'll get lucky and get a 38th round draft pick and he turns out to be your ace. Damn! Why weren't you guys here when that trade was made? Everyone ripped on me saying that we'd have gotten nothing for Ray if we didn't trade him. I was saying we'd be better off with the pick instead of a 6.+ ERA pitcher in Adkins. i was here right with ya ripping on that trade..for about 2 days..then i got so pissed off at the sox i quit watching the rest of the season...just couldnt take KW's incompetence anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 I have to agree that cubkilla and baggio were all over that trade when it happened and that all these months later, they look more and more right - has Adkins showed us anything? I think the question then was would there be compensation under the terms of the not yet then completely negotiated labor agreement - there might not have been a draft pick for losing a free agent was the rumor then for the new contract - on the one side - but on the other, has Adkins showed us anything? is a question on the other side of the equation - So I am thinking cubkilla and baggio are looking very wise in retrospect on top of their usual wisdom revealed on a daily basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 thanks cw..so does that make up for me saying yes to the maggs /lee - griffey /dunn trade ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 Schnurstein #8? Hell no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleM23 Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 First off, if you have any minor league team win a championship you should get some extra respect and i think we had two of them (Birmingham and Bristol, no?) That's why we're so low... We're really thin at the top now and very bottom heavy, but I will give KW credit that he's doing an amazing job rebuilding the system from the bottom up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleM23 Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 also KW shouldnt trade away players at the deadline (especially trades like durham for adkins)he thinks he cant resign..let them go and take the sandwich pick..thats how billy beane operates on a budget like our or less and still keeps oakland very competitive...he gets 2 or 3 first round or sandwich picks every year...that pays off after awhile... I think the only defense of KW there is that during the labor negotiations last year, it was looking like compensation for lost FAs was going to be abolished. Still... Adkins? What the f***? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 thanks cw..so does that make up for me saying yes to the maggs /lee - griffey /dunn trade ??? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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