Butter Parque Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 He can't do any worse then these stiffs. I believe that our scouting team should be fired because nothing is coming up that is any good. They all suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 Munoz is who I think it will be. I just made mention of it on the post about Rauch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 NO!!!!!! Ive had enough of that! Something has to be done to bring a proven player into the organization, its a MUST by now.. THink what our record would be with a legit 5! It must be done, asap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 NO!!!!!! Ive had enough of that! Something has to be done to bring a proven player into the organization, its a MUST by now.. THink what our record would be with a legit 5! It must be done, asap I agree this merry go round of 5th starters can't keep happening. Maybe Olivo can be the 5th starter, he does have a cannon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 Seriously, this is getting out of hand.. A trade has to be made, it has to.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flippedoutpunk Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 who needs a 5-man rotation anyways? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 He can't do any worse then these stiffs. I believe that our scouting team should be fired because nothing is coming up that is any good. They all suck. When a team sets its players up to fail, should it be any surprise when they do?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 When a team sets its players up to fail, should it be any surprise when they do?? I agree with, Rex. The organazation is as much to blame as anybody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 No no no. Everyone will throw him to lions like Rauch, Diaz, and Cotts. Why not Adkins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 No no no. Everyone will throw him to lions like Rauch, Diaz, and Cotts. Why not Adkins? Because like Cotts, he is not stretched out like a starter would be........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 Because like Cotts, he is not stretched out like a starter would be........ Rex, we and the rest of baseball are finding out that our minor league pitchign talent is NOT GOOD. That stated many teams will hold out for more because we are desparate and injured at that position. See Honel our golden boy. You know alot about our minors, lets say Kenny can't get someone, who would you bring up? It really doesn't matter at this point, but who could give us 5 innings with 3 runs or less? Is there anyone in our whole system that could do this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 would they let frank DH and pitch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 He can't do any worse then these stiffs. I believe that our scouting team should be fired because nothing is coming up that is any good. They all suck. Would any of those guys have been in the biggs ( Rauch, Diaz, etc...) if we didnt have a hole in our rotation? Nope. Right now we're like a blind man grasping wildly for something to hang on to for a 5th starter & its costing us games and position in the standings. Minnesota is only gonna stay hurt for so long & we have to take advantage while we can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 The fact is that we cannot bring up a AA pitcher. It is just totally out of the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 I don't believe guys like Cottts, Diaz, and Rauch suck. They haven't been given a fair shot really. Listen to Rex. He speaks the truth. We haven't been patient at all with these guys. I guess we're hoping for "our" Mark Prior or something. Priors don't come along very often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 I say make a trade for a serviceable 5th starter and quit bringing up guys from the minors who are not ready for the show and are having their confidence ruined as a result of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 I say make a trade for a serviceable 5th starter and quit bringing up guys from the minors who are not ready for the show and are having their confidence ruined as a result of it. I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 The fact is that we cannot bring up a AA pitcher. It is just totally out of the question. He has pitched in AAA, (even though it was as a reliever) so it isn't as if he is gonna get pounded up here. BTW, there are players that jumped from AA to the majors that really impressed. Very few, but it can be done. Not saying Munoz will come up here and pitch a no hitter, but that doesn't mean he'll get pounded. Rauch was suppose to intimadate hitters with his presence and frame, but noone was fazed. Munoz can hang IMO, even with his little presence and frame and could be intimidating. (Just ask Pedro Martinez) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 Again to Munoz, how about salvaging one of few bright spots pitching wise in the higher levels of the minors by keeping him down and letting him have some more time starting games. I would hate to see Munoz come up and get beat and then get sent down quickly and be called all sorts of things on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 Rex, we and the rest of baseball are finding out that our minor league pitchign talent is NOT GOOD. That stated many teams will hold out for more because we are desparate and injured at that position. See Honel our golden boy. You know alot about our minors, lets say Kenny can't get someone, who would you bring up? It really doesn't matter at this point, but who could give us 5 innings with 3 runs or less? Is there anyone in our whole system that could do this? Its quite simple, the Sox can't have guys pitching on 9 and 10 days rest and expect them to come in and pitch good. IF they are going to go with a guy they need to do all they can to help them suceed. It is hard enough making the jump from AAA to the majors, let alone making it when your going to be rusty because you haven't pitched in your normal schedule. Pitching on the side is not the same as pitching in game situations. The Sox dicked around with Diaz, they did the same with Cotts and Rauch was and is a bum since his injury. Its not like the guys the Sox are bringing up are some of the best prospects in baseball. Some of them have potential, but in all honesty, the AAA level isn't very good pitching wise. I think Majewski has a MLB arm while someone like Diaz has a shot. Other then that, they have a good minor league pitching staff, but I don't think it will do much at the major league level. However, the Sox have quite a bit of good arms coming up in the lower levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 The fact is that we cannot bring up a AA pitcher. It is just totally out of the question. Dontrell Willis was pretty damn raw. I don't think he had any AAA time and he had very limited AA time if I recall. I think Brandon Webb made the jump from AA too, but not positive on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 Dontrell Willis was pretty damn raw. I don't think he had any AAA time and he had very limited AA time if I recall. I think Brandon Webb made the jump from AA too, but not positive on that. As Jas said, most of what I'd call the "stud prospects" hardly, if ever, sniff AAA...You find most of the best pitching prospects at the AA level and they usually make the jump from there unless the club feels they need to go to AAA to develop more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 Its quite simple, the Sox can't have guys pitching on 9 and 10 days rest and expect them to come in and pitch good. IF they are going to go with a guy they need to do all they can to help them suceed. It is hard enough making the jump from AAA to the majors, let alone making it when your going to be rusty because you haven't pitched in your normal schedule. Pitching on the side is not the same as pitching in game situations. The Sox dicked around with Diaz, they did the same with Cotts and Rauch was and is a bum since his injury. Couldn't have said that any better myself. I'm glad you recognize this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 Dontrell Willis was pretty damn raw. I don't think he had any AAA time and he had very limited AA time if I recall. I think Brandon Webb made the jump from AA too, but not positive on that. I said that as well Jas. Plenty of players can make the jump. (Willis, Cabrera, Kotchman, Zambrano [i think he made the jump]) etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 *whispers* frank thomas... 5th starter and DH.... cant hurt.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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