Texsox Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 Has anyone else noticed that the offense takes the day aff when the winner of our 5th Starter of the Day contest takes the mound? We pound out 10 runs and anyone of these guys suddenly doesn't look all that bad, they get a second start, maybe feel somewhat successful, keep their heads in the game. Now you look up and down the bench and all I saw was deer in the headlights looks. The whole team is expecting to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Socks Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 Maybe they missed Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 Old Socks said: Maybe they missed Ozzie. It wasn't just that last game either. Every time that it's roulette wheel day the team has that "we're gonna lose anyway" attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 but losing one of every five isnt horrible.... even losing two of 5 isnt bad... but i see where you're coming from and i agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 Reddy said: but losing one of every five isnt horrible.... even losing two of 5 isnt bad... but i see where you're coming from and i agree Yeah, but the way things are it;s kinda like we're conceeding the 5th starter day & that's just not cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 Quote Yeah, but the way things are it;s kinda like we're conceeding the 5th starter day & that's just not cool. i agree with ya, imagine where we could be if we were playing hard on the 5th starter days too... ok so we'd win 11-10 but it'd still be a win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LauraJ14 Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 I did a little research on run support for our starters. Mark B had 87 runs scored in his 11 starts for an average of 7.90 runs per game Jon G had 59 runs scored in his 10 starts for an average of 5.90 runs per game Scott S had 57 runs scored in his 10 starts for an average of 5.70 runs per game ELo had 50 runs scored in his 10 starts for an average of 5.00 runs per game 5th starter had 20 runs scored in their 8 starts for an average of 2.5 runs per game In fact Danny Wright lost 5-4 to the Yankees, 3-0 and 4-1 to Tampa, so Danny actually kept us in 3 of his 4 starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1549 Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 LauraJ14 said: I did a little research on run support for our starters. Mark B had 87 runs scored in his 11 starts for an average of 7.90 runs per game Jon G had 59 runs scored in his 10 starts for an average of 5.90 runs per game Scott S had 57 runs scored in his 10 starts for an average of 5.70 runs per game ELo had 50 runs scored in his 10 starts for an average of 5.00 runs per game 5th starter had 20 runs scored in their 8 starts for an average of 2.5 runs per game In fact Danny Wright lost 5-4 to the Yankees, 3-0 and 4-1 to Tampa, so Danny actually kept us in 3 of his 4 starts. Nice work. It is very interesting to see the break down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 31, 2004 Author Share Posted May 31, 2004 NUKE_CLEVELAND said: It wasn't just that last game either. Every time that it's roulette wheel day the team has that "we're gonna lose anyway" attitude. A little research on our offense when the 5th starter is pitching. Wright 4/11 4-5 loss 4/16 0-3 loss 4/26 1-4 loss 5/1 6-10 loss (game 2 DH) For Danny we scored 4,0,1,6 runs Felix Diaz 5/13 6-5 W 3 runs scored before he was pulled 5/17 2-7 loss Diaz gets 6, 2 runs Jon Rauch 5/30 1-5 loss Rauch gets 1 run (zero when he is in the game) Cotts 5/22 1-9 loss in his only start 1 frickin run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 1, 2004 Author Share Posted June 1, 2004 With all the trade threads and who we should get, anybody think we could fix this issue with offense? We could have Randy Johnson and he's got a losing record with this run support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 Yeah, we were also facing the Brad Radke's, Aaron Sele's, and others who just plain own us like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 Where have I heard this before? --- Oh yeah it's been in my signature for 3 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 Our offense just needs to wake up and start supporting who we have on a the field... and hopefully that guy is Felix Diaz or Ramon Ortiz... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 Maybe they take a different approach? Thinking that they better score a lot of runs cause they know the 5th starter is gonna give up a lot of runs? Therefore they kinda mentally take themselves outta the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 Jeckle2000 said: Our offense just needs to wake up and start supporting who we have on a the field... and hopefully that guy is Felix Diaz or Ramon Ortiz... Crawl out from under Ramon Ortiz's nutsack -- He had an ERA of almost 7 after the all-star break last season. He HAS an ERA of nearly 7 so far this season. His WHIP is nearly 2.00, Opponents are batting .338 against him.. We'd be better off running out one of Nukes T-ball stands every 5 days than making some ridiculous deal for Ramon Ortiz. David Ortiz can outpitch this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 The Cheat said: Crawl out from under Ramon Ortiz's nutsack -- He had an ERA of almost 7 after the all-star break last season. He HAS an ERA of nearly 7 so far this season. His WHIP is nearly 2.00, Opponents are batting .338 against him.. We'd be better off running out one of Nukes T-ball stands every 5 days than making some ridiculous deal for Ramon Ortiz. David Ortiz can outpitch this guy. I hear david ortiz has a a nasty knuckleball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 The Cheat said: Crawl out from under Ramon Ortiz's nutsack -- He had an ERA of almost 7 after the all-star break last season. He HAS an ERA of nearly 7 so far this season. His WHIP is nearly 2.00, Opponents are batting .338 against him.. We'd be better off running out one of Nukes T-ball stands every 5 days than making some ridiculous deal for Ramon Ortiz. David Ortiz can outpitch this guy. Here he is, Ramon Ortiz's replacement!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 Texsox said: With all the trade threads and who we should get, anybody think we could fix this issue with offense? We could have Randy Johnson and he's got a losing record with this run support. Our offense has no trouble at all producung runs, it's just that attitude thing I mentioned when it comes to "Roulette Wheel Day". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 1, 2004 Author Share Posted June 1, 2004 NUKE_CLEVELAND said: Our offense has no trouble at all producung runs, it's just that attitude thing I mentioned when it comes to "Roulette Wheel Day". You are correct, plus at this point the #5 starter trots out with the pressure of 1. Win or back to the rack for you 2. We aren't going to score any runs 3. We should be a WS team if we can only find a 5th starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 You can see how this can collectively affect the team. When one of our big 4 are pitching, they feel they have avery good chance to win the game so they subconsciously get up for the game. It's human nature to perform well when you feel good about things. Having said that. the guys need to try and overcome the lethargy they feel when #5 is on the bump. It's not an easy thing to do, but it is the professional thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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