Gene Honda Civic Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 try reading the entire thread of you are going to throw out accusations...I am not manipulating anything...MEN had already been stipulated and I don't feel the need to repeat it over and over. If you wish to chime in perhaps you should at least read the whole thread. I have read the entire thread -- Try to use the proper language in your posts. Homosexuals= Male and females. Your stats are for only males. Thus, when you use the term homosexuals to refer to stats only about males, you are making a false statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 I wonder how old these people are.. 43% MORE THAN 60 partners... my God I just can not get over that. :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 I have read the entire thread -- Try to use the proper language in your posts. Homosexuals= Male and females. Your stats are for only males. Thus, when you use the term homosexuals to refer to stats only about males, you are making a false statement. Oops my bad. I thought you were nitpicking on the stats I posted, but you were actually pointing out that by wording it like I did, I included females. My mistake. I did not mean to include them in that 60% and I wrote incorrectly. I knew I didn't manipulate anything so when I read your post I kinda jumped the gun. Thanks for pointing out my error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 WOW wong...that's a lot to respond to. I can do most with this simple thought. Most of my statements were based on gays being in relationships and cheating. I have no stats to back it up. It is just my opinion that most of the high numbers of partners are not the result of the gay community all being single gay guys, but more so the result of them cheating on each other regularly. There are some other things I disagree with, but I can't get into too many as it's almost quitting time for me. You've said take the STD's out of the eqaution, but how could you..that is a big part of sleeping around. The other part is love. Caring about the person you're with and not wanting to be with someone else. You seem to think if there wasn't disease or a risk of getting someone pregnant that everyone would be screwing everyone all the time. I don't agree. I'm in love and I don't want to sleep with anyone else. I think some would yes...but I think most of us get to the point where you realize casual sex is ok, but its nothing compared to sex when you're in love with someone and that's what we strive for. Anyway nice chatting...be back tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 I've said it before & I'll say it again: civil unions. It's an answer that shows tolerance & equal rights without having to force acceptance. As an added bonus we can now start collecting data on them. On a bigger scale social liberalism is out of control! I saw on MSNBC that there's a legal movement out there trying to ban ladies night on the basis of it being sexual discrimination. Yep it's unconstitutional for bar owners to have ladies night in an effort to attract more customers. There is no area of our society that is free from social liberalism. Doesn't matter whether your a God-loving believer or not. The liberals are using the literal context of the US Constitution as if it were the Bible. I'm pretty confident in my assessment of the founders of the US Cons that they intended it to be a framework for democracy & not a Bible to rule over democracy. I'm pretty sure the majority of Americans don't have a problem with ladies night. Why don't these liberal activists save us all a lot of time & money & build us devices so that any action we intend to take can be put through the US Cons litmus test? It's a F'g joke is what it is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 I long for the days where tolerance was in vogue. We were taught to tolerate others. Acceptance was not a requirement. It was okay to both tolerate & hate your sinful & wicked ways. Now a days these liberal activist judges want me to accept them. Reminds me of the Roman empire in it's wanning days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 WOW wong...that's a lot to respond to. Would you say it is too much Wong for you to handle? Most of my statements were based on gays being in relationships and cheating. I have no stats to back it up. It is just my opinion that most of the high numbers of partners are not the result of the gay community all being single gay guys, but more so the result of them cheating on each other regularly. Why would you assume that? That statement sounds pretty homophobic, no? You've said take the STD's out of the eqaution, but how could you..that is a big part of sleeping around. It doesn't have to be. I know a couple straight guys that can count 40-50 gals as sex partners, but they don't have any std's. You know why? Because they use condoms, and a little common sense. If you are desirable enough to others that you can rattle off 50 different horizontal bop partners, then you can certainly afford a little discretion and take a pass on the Homer-Simpson's-Las Vegas-Wife-types. You seem to think if there wasn't disease or a risk of getting someone pregnant that everyone would be screwing everyone all the time. No, that's not correct. The main factors in why straight men don't hump anything on two legs is because 1)society deems it unpleasant, and 2)women generally demand exclusivity in "exchange" for sex. Yes, there are of course exceptions to this theory. The disease and pregnancy factors are secondary, but part of it as well. I don't agree. I'm in love and I don't want to sleep with anyone else. OK, first question--How old are you?, and second question--How long have you been seeing your significant other? The answers to both are going to weigh heavily in how I respond to this. ...but I think most of us get to the point where you realize casual sex is ok, but its nothing compared to sex when you're in love with someone and that's what we strive for. I think you might be having trouble separating the emotion from the act itself. Good sex is good sex, and if you love the person you're doing it with, then of course it's all that much better. However, I would bet at least half of the guys on this board who are currently in a marriage or similar relationship would say that they have had better sex with someone else rather than their current partner.(Prior to their current relationship, not referring to cheating here) Anyway nice chatting...be back tomorrow Yah, likewise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 Jay Leno made a perfect comment about this whole deal some time ago. He stated that if Conservatives are so offended by gay sex then they should go ahead and allow the gays to get married. That way they'd stop having sex altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 I don't agree. I'm in love and I don't want to sleep with anyone else. OK, first question--How old are you?, and second question--How long have you been seeing your significant other? The answers to both are going to weigh heavily in how I respond to this. Maybe cuz I'm not a guy, my answer doesn't 'qualify' in this conversation, but what the hell, I'll put in an answer anyway. I'm 27 and have to agree with Chaos. I've been with Brian (32) for about 4 years now (I know, still relatively short period of time) and both of us are in love with each other and don't want to sleep with anyone else, hence one of the reasons we have for getting married. For reasons I refuse to get into, I do know that this is a fact about the way he feels; it's not lip service on his part, so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniBob72 Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 Wong, it seems to me that you are implying that men have less problem with being cheated on than do women. I get this from your point that straight men don't sleep around as much as gay men because straight men's women wouldn't go for that. Sorry, but if my wife cheated on me I think we'd be through. Do gay men in relationships have less problem with being betrayed, humiliated, and lied to than straight men? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 However, I would bet at least half of the guys on this board who are currently in a marriage or similar relationship would say that they have had better sex with someone else rather than their current partner.(Prior to their current relationship, not referring to cheating here) Pigs... all of you. Pigs!! Oink, oink oink!! just messin' with ya Wong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 OK, first question--How old are you?, and second question--How long have you been seeing your significant other? The answers to both are going to weigh heavily in how I respond to this. Maybe cuz I'm not a guy, my answer doesn't 'qualify' in this conversation, but what the hell, I'll put in an answer anyway. I'm 27 and have to agree with Chaos. I've been with Brian (32) for about 4 years now (I know, still relatively short period of time) and both of us are in love with each other and don't want to sleep with anyone else, hence one of the reasons we have for getting married. For reasons I refuse to get into, I do know that this is a fact about the way he feels; it's not lip service on his part, so to speak. It is certainly not a matter of your answer "qualifying", everyone undoubtably has an opinion on topics like this, and yours is as valid as anyone elses. But I think what you meant was that you were coming from the female side of the equation, and thus have a different perspective oin the sex thing in general. And that is very true, men and women have very different perspectives on sex, for a variety of reasons. As for knowing that he has zero interest in sleeping with another woman, I'd say it depends on where he's coming from. What I mean is, does he not want to sleep around because he has no attraction to the nubile hottie walking down the street in a thong? Or does he not want to sleep around because he values your relationship and you in general, and so he wouldn't want to lose that via infidelity? I am basically married(no ceremony or paperwork, but we live together and hopefully always will) and if I see Salma Hayek on the beach towel next to mine, does the thought cross my mind that I might want to exchange my left arm for 15 minutes alone with her and a tub of Cool Whip? Yes, every time. But, do I REALLY want to sleep with her and thus give up my girlfriend and all we have together? No, of course not. But, the temptation is always there, and always will be(for guys at least). I would say(no offense) that if Brian says he doesn't have those same thoughts, I'd bet he's fibbin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 Wong, it seems to me that you are implying that men have less problem with being cheated on than do women. I am not saying that at all. Where did you get that? Do gay men in relationships have less problem with being betrayed, humiliated, and lied to than straight men? No, I don't think so. But I don't believe, like Chaos does, that the fact that gay men have 12,000 sex mates means that they are all cheating on partners in a relationship. I think there are far fewer gay men even attempting to enter into monogamous long-term relationships in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 Pigs... all of you. Pigs!! Oink, oink oink!! just messin' with ya Wong. I know you just messin with me Steffikins. But that sentiment isn't all that far from the truth though, is it? And that's what I'm talking about when I say society and the "better half" is what keeps the dick in check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 I know you just messin with me Steffikins. But that sentiment isn't all that far from the truth though, is it? And that's what I'm talking about when I say society and the "better half" is what keeps the dick in check. I think what keeps things in check is that men are afraid to get Bobbitted! And, or, lose the love and respect of a woman they have obviously chosen to have some sort of life wth. I will admit though... from the female side.. I've been faced with some hotties.. and some "thoughts". Dudes aren't the only ones that think about tubs full of whipped cream.. Ehem.. Neal... cough, cough.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 I think what keeps things in check is that men are afraid to get Bobbitted! And, or, lose the love and respect of a woman they have obviously chosen to have some sort of life wth. I will admit though... from the female side.. I've been faced with some hotties.. and some "thoughts". Dudes aren't the only ones that think about tubs full of whipped cream.. Ehem.. Neal... cough, cough.. OK, playa hatin, cheat, somebody has to make a new sig for Steff using this information!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach61 Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 I am completely against any marriage of two gay individuals in a Christian church...it's 100% not in line with doctrine and anyone who argues against that is a heretic and has no place in the church. But the church does have a place for, and protects, pedophiles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 Would you say it is too much Wong for you to handle? No, but even if it was I don't think I'd particularly word it that way. Why would you assume that? That statement sounds pretty homophobic, no? Actually for me to think that gays are in relationships isn't homophobic at all. I'm assuming they are just like straight people. Most adults are in relationships or looking for relationships at least on and off anyway. To amass the kind of numbers they have....then I assume they are either cheating when they are in a realtionship OR they were all single and had ONE hell of a summer!! It doesn't have to be. I know a couple straight guys that can count 40-50 gals as sex partners, but they don't have any std's. You know why? Because they use condoms, and a little common sense. If you are desirable enough to others that you can rattle off 50 different horizontal bop partners, then you can certainly afford a little discretion and take a pass on the Homer-Simpson's-Las Vegas-Wife-types. First off....would they really tell you if they did even if they were close friends?? Second....You can get an STD with a condom...and discretion doesn't really mean anything. There are some drop dead gorgeous girls that are total skanks and there are Homer-Simpson's-Las Vegas-Wife-types that have never been touched and clean as a whistle....and vice-versa. So there really isn't discretion... No, that's not correct. The main factors in why straight men don't hump anything on two legs is because 1)society deems it unpleasant, and 2)women generally demand exclusivity in "exchange" for sex. Yes, there are of course exceptions to this theory. The disease and pregnancy factors are secondary, but part of it as well. We are going to agree to disagree here...I give men..well some men.. a little more credit then that. I don't think there are too many single guys here that if offered to sleep with 10 beautiful women, would say no due to socital implications. Society doesn't deem s***...and if it does...we as men, can careless. OK, first question--How old are you?, and second question--How long have you been seeing your significant other? The answers to both are going to weigh heavily in how I respond to this. I'm 30. I been with my fiancee for 1 year and 3 months and we're gettin married in September. The thing is I know what's out there...and I don't want anyone else. You can put salma hayek next to me, and I'll think she is hot, but I won't want to sleep with her..cause 1) she ain't gonna teach me anything new...2) she could be a dead stick and 3) I'm not in love with her so the most I can get out of it is some good sex...and if you're in love you're already having great sex...so why cheat. I think you might be having trouble separating the emotion from the act itself. Good sex is good sex, and if you love the person you're doing it with, then of course it's all that much better. However, I would bet at least half of the guys on this board who are currently in a marriage or similar relationship would say that they have had better sex with someone else rather than their current partner.(Prior to their current relationship, not referring to cheating here) Look, without giving a number that would make Steff say gross or call me a pig , I have had my share of let's say...encounters. I have no trouble seperating emotion from the act.... That is my whole point. There is a BIG difference between sleeping with someone you love and getting laid just to get laid. Yes good sex is good sex, and you can get laid and not think anything of it, but good sex when you're in love turns into GREAT sex and the reason is because you CAN'T control that emotion. It embodies you. It's sad having sex with someone you can care less about and it gets old real fast....I mean I remember saying to my friends back when I was single...I'm sick of not giving a s*** about the girl I'm with. I mean I forgot what it was like to care about the person I was sleeping with. She can do backflips in bed...it still get's lame when ya don't care. Not sure how this became a sex discussion...but whatever.... sex happens! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 OK, playa hatin, cheat, somebody has to make a new sig for Steff using this information!!!! Ugh.. me and my big mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 I wonder how old these people are.. 43% MORE THAN 60 partners... my God I just can not get over that. :puke Thats the same thing that stuck out to me. Cripes, I think their are pimps that have had less partners then that. No matter what, thats a hell of a lot of partners and thats a large % that has that. Of course that is based on one geographic area and I'm sure in other areas its far less. Still, I think thats a very shocking and to me disturbing stat. I'm not one to complain about what other people do if it doesn't hurt me or anyone else, but in that sense, I think its freaking disgusting (not the gay part, but the 60 partner part). Of course my good friend from when I was younger, who is now gay, has had the same partner since he came out, so I guess it just depends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 Wong, it seems to me that you are implying that men have less problem with being cheated on than do women. I get this from your point that straight men don't sleep around as much as gay men because straight men's women wouldn't go for that. Sorry, but if my wife cheated on me I think we'd be through. Do gay men in relationships have less problem with being betrayed, humiliated, and lied to than straight men? If my wife or girlfriend ever cheated on me: A)If she lived with me, her bags would be packed and they'd be sitting on the doorstep with the locks changed. B)I'd never freaking talk to the chick again. Hasn't happened so far and hopefully it doesn't ever happen, but no chance in hell that I'd ever put up with it or give a girl a 2nd chance after something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 OK, playa hatin, cheat, somebody has to make a new sig for Steff using this information!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 Most adults are in relationships or looking for relationships at least on and off anyway. See, here is where I'd bring up the fact again that we're talking about two males. In the straight world, if the females didn't require it, there wouldn't be any long-term relationships(yes, with exceptions, and I have a hunch you'll claim you are one of them). When you're talking about two guys in a sexual/romantic situation, neither may have any interest in being in a committed relationship. First off....would they really tell you if they did even if they were close friends?? Yep, we have no qualms about stuff like that. When a friend did catch a little case of chlamydia, we chided the guy for being stupid, laughed about it once he was OK, then moved on and hoped he learned his lesson. Second....You can get an STD with a condom Really? With exception to the rare cases when the condom is defective, how does this happen? and discretion doesn't really mean anything. There are some drop dead gorgeous girls that are total skanks and there are Homer-Simpson's-Las Vegas-Wife-types that have never been touched and clean as a whistle....and vice-versa. So there really isn't discretion OK, I see I worded that poorly. First off, I am not claiming that every sexual encounter comes from a one-night stand. In fact, if I were to attempt to acquire 75 notches on my bedpost, I'd prefer as few of those as possible. What I mean by discretion is, you can take some time to find out a little bit about a person, before you take their clothes off. It's certainly not an exact science, but more often than not if you use your head you'll be OK. I wasn't necessarily referring to just looks. We are going to agree to disagree here...I give men..well some men.. a little more credit then that. Why is it a question of credit? Why can't it simply be the way it is, without any negative(or positive) connotations? I don't think there are too many single guys here that if offered to sleep with 10 beautiful women, would say no due to socital implications. No, they wouldn't, but that's not reality. Reality says the 45 year old guy who has never been married(or married and divorced), who trolls around nightclubs trying to pick up every girl within shouting distance is considered much less desirable than the guy who is married with a couple kids who spends his nights at home watching Law and Order. Society doesn't deem s***...and if it does...we as men, can careless. We can, but we don't. and if you're in love you're already having great sex Well, again, we'll definitely have to agree to disagree here. Look, without giving a number that would make Steff say gross or call me a pig There you go not being influenced by society again but good sex when you're in love turns into GREAT sex and the reason is because you CAN'T control that emotion. It embodies you. I would argue that the feeling you're referring to is more infatuation than love. Not saying love doesn't exist, but that "uncontrollable" "embodying" emotion is not the same feeling after you've been with someone 10 years. All those jokes about married people not having sex? If they weren't rooted in truth, noone would laugh at them. It's sad having sex with someone you can care less about and it gets old real fast Noone is saying you have to not care about the person. Hell, I once had a friend who I'd fool around with from time to time over a few years, when the timing was right, etc. I care about her, but we weren't a good match for the long haul. We're still friends. She can do backflips in bed...it still get's lame when ya don't care When one type of anything is all you're getting, of course it gets old after awhile. If you had only been in one 5-year relationship after another for the last 15 years, that would get old too, and you'd be begging for a one-nighter with Desiree over at Hooters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1549 Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 I long for the days where tolerance was in vogue. We were taught to tolerate others. Acceptance was not a requirement. It was okay to both tolerate & hate your sinful & wicked ways. Now a days these liberal activist judges want me to accept them. Reminds me of the Roman empire in it's wanning days. That is just terrible :headshake I thought you were a theologian, but apparantley the bible has not taught you enough. Accept others. That is all there is to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 But, the temptation is always there, and always will be (for guys at least). For the guys at least? I liked Nicole Kidman's line in Eyes Wide Shut.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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