NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 He fattens up his stats in a couple of make work appearances when we have big leads & all of a sudden he's god. This guy handles pressure the way a 5 year old does. He wets his pants and gives up a lead faster than the French can give up Paris in a war. :fyou Botch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 I still support Koch and like i have already asked you in at least three different threads... what are you complaining about?? Cause he has 2 blown saves?? His era is 4.19???? you got nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 He fattens up his stats in a couple of make work appearances when we have big leads & all of a sudden he's god. This guy handles pressure the way a 5 year old does. He wets his pants and gives up a lead faster than the French can give up Paris in a war. :fyou Botch! Billy Koch is our closer no matter what, until Ozzie wants to really win and change to Takatsu. Look, what happened today happened and we must live with it. We need to stop complaining about it, after all, there are other teams of our capability that need a closer still. We had our chances, and we did not execute, its that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 His era is 4.19???? you got nothing :banghead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Why are you all obsessed with Shingo?? No one has ever seen him before, thats why he is so great right now... I give him props for the STATS so far but until he finishes the year sub 1.50 ERA I am not making up my mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Why are you all obsessed with Shingo?? No one has ever seen him before, thats why he is so great right now... I give him props for the STATS so far but until he finishes the year sub 1.50 ERA I am not making up my mind He has to be sub 1.5, but it's ok for Koch to be 4+? HOW THE HELL DOES THAT WORK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 He has to be sub 1.5, but it's ok for Koch to be 4+? HOW THE HELL DOES THAT WORK? I said ide like to see him FINISH with a sub 1.50 ERA before I think that he is all great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 I'm still here, Nuke. I'm not a bandwagoner either. I was there at the beginning and I'll be here at the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 I am not saying anything bad about Shingo, he has been lights out so far but Juan Uribe was batting .380 at one point this year and now hes almost down to just .300 but again, I am noit bashing Shingo NOR saying he has to be sub 1.50... i am just saying I dont think he will finish like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Billy Koch is our closer no matter what, until Ozzie wants to really win and change to Takatsu. Look, what happened today happened and we must live with it. We need to stop complaining about it, after all, there are other teams of our capability that need a closer still. We had our chances, and we did not execute, its that simple. Beastly, I usually don't agree with you, but here I do. Get over it, he blew the game, but look at the other factors, not just Koch: a.) Lack of clutch hitting (Rowand, Sandy, but not those two exclusively) b.) Alomar let Koch's one breaking pitch go threw his legs. Thus, Koch loses faith in Alomar being able to stop his breaking pitches. Thus, he doesn't want to throw breaking pitches, thus he can only throw a fastball (Enough with the thus' already, lol). One thing leads to another... Look at the positives: - Mark Buerhle is absolutely DEALING right now. Filthy, absolutely filthy right now. He has his backdoor curve working, and he is on fire. I look for a win from him right now, each and every start. -The top of the order is getting the job done, still. Juan Uribe might be cooling off a bit, but he's still drawing his share of walks, and still has good hacks up at the plate. Same goes for Wee Willie. -Congrats to Big Frank for tying Luke Appling on the All-Time Sox list for Doubles (IIRC)! -Congrats to Carlos Lee, hitting streak at 19 Games (Knock on Wood) ! But, the bad thing is, once he gets it it seems like he doesn't even want to get a hit anymore. I hope he isn't being content with just getting that one hit per game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 I'm still here, Nuke. I'm not a bandwagoner either. I was there at the beginning and I'll be here at the end. Same here... I am one of the few that have supported Koch since Day one and will continue to support him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimpy2121 Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 I still support Koch and like i have already asked you in at least three different threads... what are you complaining about?? Cause he has 2 blown saves?? His era is 4.19???? you got nothing ok...a 4 era is too high for a closer....2 blown saves=hes not doing his job, even if it only is two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted June 2, 2004 Author Share Posted June 2, 2004 a.) Lack of clutch hitting (Rowand, Sandy, but not those two exclusively) They went against Mark Mulder today. You're not going to go out there and score 50 runs against this guy like he's some schlep on the Twins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Beastly, I usually don't agree with you, but here I do. Get over it, he blew the game, but look at the other factors, not just Koch: a.) Lack of clutch hitting (Rowand, Sandy, but not those two exclusively) b.) Alomar let Koch's one breaking pitch go threw his legs. Thus, Koch loses faith in Alomar being able to stop his breaking pitches. Thus, he doesn't want to throw breaking pitches, thus he can only throw a fastball (Enough with the thus' already, lol). One thing leads to another... Look at the positives: - Mark Buerhle is absolutely DEALING right now. Filthy, absolutely filthy right now. He has his backdoor curve working, and he is on fire. I look for a win from him right now, each and every start. -The top of the order is getting the job done, still. Juan Uribe might be cooling off a bit, but he's still drawing his share of walks, and still has good hacks up at the plate. Same goes for Wee Willie. -Congrats to Big Frank for tying Luke Appling on the All-Time Sox list for Doubles (IIRC)! -Congrats to Carlos Lee, hitting streak at 19 Games (Knock on Wood) ! But, the bad thing is, once he gets it it seems like he doesn't even want to get a hit anymore. I hope he isn't being content with just getting that one hit per game... Very good post CWS. Only if every factor was added in the positive side we'd all be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 They went against Mark Mulder today. You're not going to go out there and score 50 runs against this guy like he's some schlep on the Twins. Nuke - I'm not talking about going up against Mulder. Two times, late in the game, after Mulder had been pulled, Sandy and Rowand had a chance to do some two out damage (both times with the bases loaded, so a hit in either situation and we're talking about a White Sox winner.). Aaron Rowand, I don't know why the hell, but he swings at a 2-0 pitch, a s***ty swing, and grounds out. I think Sandy did the same. Sandy had another opportunity but screwed up. Another thing I wanted to add to the positive list: -Joe Crede, 4-5. Heat up Joe, Heat up kid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 I still support Koch and like i have already asked you in at least three different threads... what are you complaining about?? Cause he has 2 blown saves?? His era is 4.19???? you got nothing That's exactly what Cubbie losers were saying about Borowski when his ERA was 3.00, then when it was 4.00, then 5.00, then 6.00, then 7.00. You give up enough walks and rockets and wild pitches as Kotch has been doing this year, and it's just a matter of time before there is 1 blown save.....2 blown saves....3 blown saves.....2 losses.....4 blown saves........He was bailed out by luck and by Uribe plenty of times this season - and as everyone knows, good baseball fortune can turn on a dime. You were told this back on April 5th. By people who actually know a little bit about the game. He needs a 98mph fastball the way he is pitching right now. He is topping out at 95. Not gonna cut it. Even though Hattenberg and Durazo broke their bats, they SAW the ball early out of his palm and had no problem top-handing that straight fastball. And the wild pitch didn't help, either - it never does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Im never happy the Sox lose, ever, but today, they didnt deserve to win. They had the bases loaded in the 8th and 9th, and left 13 men strantded all together today. So it wasnt like Mulder was perfect today.( I know Mulder didnt account for the 2 bases loaded inncident) While the Sox need to win some 1-0, 2-1, 3-2 ball games, this should not have been a 3-2 ball game. It SHOULD have been a 6-1, 7-2 ball game. We had NUMEROUS chances to break the game wide open, and failed. Great post, Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 I said ide like to see him FINISH with a sub 1.50 ERA before I think that he is all great If that's the case, I'd like to see Koch finish with an ERA below 5.00. Koch sucks. He should set up from now and and Shingo should be closer. Period. Who cares if no one has seen him, even if they had seen him, they still wouldn't hit him. He's f***ing nasty. BTW, where was that huge heat that Koch had the other night? I thought he hit 98 on the gun recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 It seems like he's had a lot more than two blown saves. He never seems like he's got good stuff. At least the games I've seen on the telly. I just think we'd be better off without the guy. Except for the money we're paying him, is there any reason to keep Koch? He doesn't get people out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimpy2121 Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 the koch era is now 4.43, thats horrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da_bears86 Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 this really isnt koch's fault totally. if rownd would hav had a better break on the ball and not let it get past him the run might not have scored and billy coulda pitched out of it. i put equal amounts of blame on rowand as i do koch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Im never happy the Sox lose, ever, but today, they didnt deserve to win. They had the bases loaded in the 8th and 9th, and left 13 men strantded all together today. So it wasnt like Mulder was perfect today.( I know Mulder didnt account for the 2 bases loaded inncident) While the Sox need to win some 1-0, 2-1, 3-2 ball games, this should not have been a 3-2 ball game. It SHOULD have been a 6-1, 7-2 ball game. We had NUMEROUS chances to break the game wide open, and failed. That's why you have a pitching staff and a good bullpen - to shut down the opposition when you don't hit well in the right situation. You won't always get the big hit, and that's when you need a rock solid rotation and bullpen to shut the door. We had exactly that for 8 innings. Then Koch came in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 this really isnt koch's fault totally. if rownd would hav had a better break on the ball and not let it get past him the run might not have scored and billy coulda pitched out of it. i put equal amounts of blame on rowand as i do koch Koch gave up the hits, therefore, Koch gets the blame. Rowand f***ed up, big deal. Koch should have gotten the hitters out when he needed to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Add a good reliever to the list of needs by the All Star Break. We could now use a 5th Starter and a good reliever or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 anthony, I made a sig for you. See the Koch WHIP area. Enjoy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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