Reddy Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 Harris - 2B Uribe - 3B Maggs - RF Thomas - DH Finley - CF Konerko - 1B Valentin - SS Lee - LF Olivo - C why would you have lee down there at number 8?? anyway, yeah this would be one helluva trade. I wanna see how Garcia does today against us, one of the best offenses in the AL... not saying i necessarily want him to do well, but just show he CAN do well... heh heh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 That's probably the main reason something could be done. I could see us going over $70 mill, and if the players we bring in help us do some major damage come October, JR could be for bringing some of them back as well as doing some other signing on the FA market. If they flop and suck ass, we will be in the Cleveland Indians of 2002-03. However, if we could get Eddie Guardado(with maybe only having to give up say Joe Crede...don't know how that would work, but maybe it could), you can then have a Harris at 2B, Valentin at SS, and Uribe at 3B, which then opens up the opportunity to bring in Steve Finley. Give us Eddie Guardado, Freddy Garcia, and Steve Finley, and I like our chances a hell of a lot. Have a lineup of Harris - 2B Uribe - 3B Maggs - RF Thomas - DH Finley - CF Konerko - 1B Valentin - SS Lee - LF Olivo - C and you are set. Konerko, Lee, and Uribe can be switched around(however, Konerko should never bat 2nd), as well as Uribe and Harris, but otherwise, you are looking real nice. If Maggs is out for an extended period of time, use Gload, move everyone up a spot, and put Gload in the #8 spot. Not sure about anyone else, but I like that a hell of a lot. I can only hope it gets done. 1. I don't want to part with Crede. He is a shortened/leveled swing away from stardom. Will be cheap for a while, too. The good thing about Uribe is that he is a super-utility guy, but you don't want to put all them eggs in one basket. Good teams are deep. 2. Since when does a player who just signed a 15 Mill contract hit 8th in the line-up? Carlos is a #5 or #2 hitter, depending on how much Finley has left in the tank. 3. Guardado? Nah, if Sox can get Garcia and Finley without paying most of their salaries, they could live with a crazy combo of Politte-Marte-Shingo-Koch-Wunsch/Cotts. Hopefully Sox do so well in the next few months, that there aren't many 1-run leads for them to blow. .........Worst comes the worst, you can always put something together closer to July 30th deadline - or maybe even claim a good closer off waivers in August. Urbina, etc. Guardado is a Twin and I want no part of him if it can be avoided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 Also remember that Finley is a 5/10 guy, meanign he can veto any trade he doesn't like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 Garcia wants $40 million over 4 years. We lose Maggs, Koch and Valentin, that's $25 million of payroll rite there. Include the increase the revenue, and we'll be major players in free agency this offseason perhaps. Who in their right mind would pay Garcia $10million/year? GMs are so retarded these days. Garcia's ERA was over 4 the past two years. Buehrle is better than he is and makes far less. I would trade for him but he would definitely be our #5 starter. I wouldn't give up much either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 We will get Garcia cheap....no need to give up Reed or Borchard Rent a players for half a season always come cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 1. I don't want to part with Crede. He is a shortened/leveled swing away from stardom. Will be cheap for a while, too. The good thing about Uribe is that he is a super-utility guy, but you don't want to put all them eggs in one basket. Good teams are deep. 2. Since when does a player who just signed a 15 Mill contract hit 8th in the line-up? Carlos is a #5 or #2 hitter, depending on how much Finley has left in the tank. 3. Guardado? Nah, if Sox can get Garcia and Finley without paying most of their salaries, they could live with a crazy combo of Politte-Marte-Shingo-Koch-Wunsch/Cotts. Hopefully Sox do so well in the next few months, that there aren't many 1-run leads for them to blow. .........Worst comes the worst, you can always put something together closer to July 30th deadline - or maybe even claim a good closer off waivers in August. Urbina, etc. Guardado is a Twin and I want no part of him if it can be avoided. 1. What if that shortened swing never comes around though? That's the thing I'm worried about with Crede. Of course, he could just figure it out Raul Ibanez-style. He's a pretty solid player now a days too. 2. The only other place you can put Lee is about in the #2 spot...he and Konerko cannot switch spots because Konerko is making more then Lee. Again, that lineup would not be a set thing. That lineup has a great amount of versatility, and a lot of people can be switched around, which would be one of the good things of that lineup. Ozzie could have a lot of fun with that lineup. 3. I like Guardado. But if someone else can be picked up, so be it. I just do not have much confidence in a few guys in the bullpen. The only one that I truely know will do his job day in and day out is Shingo...why can't we have 5 more Shingo's down there anyways? Anyways, Marte has been shaky(though he threw the ball very well his last outing, that is, until he hit Chavez), Koch has inconsistent, Politte has been downright scary(and that's bad-scary, not good-scary), Cotts has been a human-gas can as of late, and Adkins has not pitched well at all, save for the few times he's had a 6 run lead. I like Jackson though. He seems to be pretty solid as well. So long as KW gets one more good reliever, I will be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 with maggs missing 4-7 weeks it makes me alittle nervous. If we trade 2 of our outfielders, who plays right field? If you say reed, what happens if he's a bust...... Rumor has it KW is going after an outfielder as well. According to ESPN's Baseball Tonite, Peter Gammons has stated that the Sox are one of the 6 teams trying to aqcuire Carlos Beltran from K.C. (Once again it was ESPN so who knows if that is true or not) Also what would the Sox have to give up to get him? They would probably want 3 young arms as well as a solid outfielder. Like a package of Diaz, Cotts, Pacheco and Sweeney or Anderson. Its a lot to give up, but then again how many times can a team go for a title push? Especially our Sox!!! If its true I say GO FOR IT KW!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Gleason Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 Rumor has it KW is going after an outfielder as well. According to ESPN's Baseball Tonite, Peter Gammons has stated that the Sox are one of the 6 teams trying to aqcuire Carlos Beltran from K.C. (Once again it was ESPN so who knows if that is true or not) Also what would the Sox have to give up to get him? They would probably want 3 young arms as well as a solid outfielder. Like a package of Diaz, Cotts, Pacheco and Sweeney or Anderson. Its a lot to give up, but then again how many times can a team go for a title push? Especially our Sox!!! If its true I say GO FOR IT KW!! But would KC deal within the division like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 Rumor has it KW is going after an outfielder as well. According to ESPN's Baseball Tonite, Peter Gammons has stated that the Sox are one of the 6 teams trying to aqcuire Carlos Beltran from K.C. (Once again it was ESPN so who knows if that is true or not) Also what would the Sox have to give up to get him? They would probably want 3 young arms as well as a solid outfielder. Like a package of Diaz, Cotts, Pacheco and Sweeney or Anderson. Its a lot to give up, but then again how many times can a team go for a title push? Especially our Sox!!! If its true I say GO FOR IT KW!! According to a KC paper, [the KC Star maybe?] I read that KC would like 3 of 5 positions filled with a trade of Beltran-3B, OF, 2B, pitching [they seem really thin in the pen, with SP coming back next year from injuries], and C. The market would be a top prospect, and two lesser prospects. Joe B. would be in my top Prospect category, as well as Cotts. I'm not sure who else would qualify [i wouldn't give up Anderson, Reed, or Sweeney for Beltran though] And Felix Diaz, Rauch, Josh Fields, Jeff Bajenaru, Mike Spidale, Micah Schurstein, Antoin Gray, Scott Bikowski, Ruddy Yan also would be in the mix. The Sox certainly are in contention, which they should be to get themselves a #2 hitter like Beltran. [uribe should fall back to earth, and be the super sub off the bench, going between SS, 2B and 3B for 3, 4 games a week. Harris doesn't belong in CF for a playoff team. He's better at 2B anyway] Its just a matter of fitting KC's needs w/o breaking the bank. Any team getting him probably won't resign him so the cost can't be that big in terms of talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 I don't want to part with Crede. He is a shortened/leveled swing away from stardom. Will be cheap for a while, too. The good thing about Uribe is that he is a super-utility guy, but you don't want to put all them eggs in one basket. Good teams are deep. Total agreement with Crede [his 4-5 showed he could hit good "pitcher's pitches" and cookies when he's on. The slow starter coming around? Probably.] And Uribe as well. I think Uribe will come back down to earth, hitting wise. When his avg, dips below Willie's, then it doesn't make sense to keep Uribe at 2B. With his stick and defense off the bench, though, he's very valuable for a playoff team. Then willie can get back from grazing in the OF and back to 2B where he belongs. A trade for a lh, hitting CF [like Finley or Beltran] is very doable. I think the Sox are just riding out Uribe's hot streak and will make a move for a CF when he cools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 But would KC deal within the division like that? For the right price. KC's knows the Sox won't resign Beltran anyway [at least not both he and Maggs]. So he could only hurt them this year, a lost year where they are rebuilding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 Does anyoen know if KW is in Seattle?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted June 4, 2004 Share Posted June 4, 2004 Does anyoen know if KW is in Seattle?? I heard ESPN 1000 talking about this yesterday. Both KW and Boyer are in SEA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 I think we could get Finley without raping our farm system. Belran would be awesome, but Finley would be close, production wise. If we are going to rent a player for half a season, I'd go after Finley and keep some of our minor league talent within the organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 I think we could get Finley without raping our farm system. Belran would be awesome, but Finley would be close, production wise. If we are going to rent a player for half a season, I'd go after Finley and keep some of our minor league talent within the organization. Definitely agreed on that, I think the Padres or Dodgers will end up gettin Beltran and then he'll head to the Yanks which is the worst kept secret in baseball. We can get Finley cheap, with almost the same type of production as Beltran minus the speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 If we got Garcia+Finley/Beltran I would be so f***ing happy nothing would upset me for like 2 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 A local report tabbed the White Sox as Freddy Garcia's most likely new home. White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen and Garcia, native Venezuelans, are close friends. Chicago GM Kenny Williams responded to the rumor with: ''Great for us,'' Williams said. ''I'm really happy to hear that.'' He didn't deny the speculation, but he did quash rumors that Joe Borchard would be a part of the proposed trade for Garcia. ''Borchard's not going anywhere,'' Williams said. We wonder why not. Seems like the White Sox have plenty of minor league future stars in centerfield between Jeremy Reed and Brian Anderson. Parting with Borchard, who has been something of a disappointment so far, doesn't seem like an incurable loss. Jun. 5 - 11:30 am et Compliments of Rotoworld.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 All this talk and speculation is killing me. LOL!! I wish they'd do the deal and get it over with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 All this talk and speculation is killing me. LOL!! I wish they'd do the deal and get it over with. Get rid of our s*** guys and then make it be done with. I'd be a lot happier to see Garcia in our lineup than Rowand or Perez... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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