NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 The 6 million you're on the hook for is gone. That's bad money, and the Sox should forget about it, and release the mother. Because having him lose games and paying the 6 milllion is far worse than having him gone and paying him the 6 million. The really sad part is that he probably makes more money per hit he gives up than I can make in a whole year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 First let me say that I like Ozzie. I love the atmosphere and the way the guys are playing. However, since this thread is here, I figured I'd stick my two cents in. Now this mistake didn't turn out so bad because we won the game, but it doesn't mean it wasn't made. We needed an insurance run here and a pinch runner would have gotten it. If you are up 4-2 and Konerko leads off with a single it seems like common sense to me to get a pinch runner. Anyone would have been safe at second on Perez's FC which would have been a hit, then they would have easily tagged on Crede's deep fly and then scored on Olivo's double. I just don't get the logic on leaving Konerko in to run. Anyway that was one flaw I noticed. It wasn't magnified cause they won, but when Konerko got that hit I was wondering who was coming in to pinch run and nobody did. CHICAGO SOX 9TH -S Hasegawa relieved M Myers. -Top of the 9th inning -P Konerko singled to left. -T Perez grounded into fielder's choice to shortstop, P Konerko out at second. -J Crede flied out to center. -M Olivo hit a ground rule double to deep center, T Perez to third. -W Harris walked. -J Uribe flied out to right. 0 runs, 2 hits, 0 errors Chicago Sox 4, Seattle 2 I noticed this as well. When he wasn't pinch run for initially, i figured Ozzie was waiting for him to get on 2nd base. Then he barely got thrown out. The thing is moves that aren't made sometimes go unnoticed as long as you ended up winning the game. While we're at it, what did you guys think of intentionally walking Edgar with a 1-2 count to load the bases? At that point you have the double play in order (but a quicker guy at the plate), and an 0-0 count. You could have hoped for a K from Koch with him ahead in the count...but then again Edgar has excellent bat control and may have been able to hit a SAC fly. I don't really know how i feel on that one, i think it was a tough call to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 While your right, ozzie had made mistakes. He has definitely been a goood, overall manager this entire year. He's not perfect, no need to complain...... Yeah, you can't bash him just yet...rookie manager = mistakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 I don't really buy the whole rookie mistake argument. To a degree maybe...but when fans notice something that obviously should be done and it doesn't happen (pinch running for konerko), that's not something that can be chalked up to being a new manager. That's just knowing the game and the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 Yeah I agree with Krush. I don't think it was a rookie mistake as much as it was just a mistake. There is no way Konerko should be standing on 1st in the top of the 9th with no outs. If Ozzie didn't think of it....then where was Baines??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 I hate when people say things like this because it simple isn't(shouldn't be the case). You have to pay the guy 6M no matter role he plays, so put him in the role that hurts the team the least. KW's ego (and of course JR's outlook on life and business) will never allow him to become a good GM. For every "extra" win he nets you with Marte and Loaiza finds....he costs you 2 "extra" losses by insisting Koch, White, Wright, Cotts, Porzio, Rios, Daubach, Perez, Adkins take prominent roles, and (to a lesser extent) by running Wunsch and Foulke out of town. Garcia and Finley. These moves had to be made YESTERDAY, esp when it became known Maggs is toast. My god, is this organization trying to set new highs in short-sightness and cheapness with each passing year? Do they not care about the short- and long-term damage they have done and are doing to this franchise? :headshake :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 Garcia and Finley. These moves had to be made YESTERDAY, esp when it became known Maggs is toast. It takes two to tango. Seattle has put any movement of Garcia of hold for a while. And who knows if the DBacks will even consider trading Finley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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