BrandoFan Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Along with Garret Anderson, this guy has been highly underrated in the last 2-3 years. He is every bit as good and probably even a little better than Magglio IMO. And he is not asking for 15 Mill a year. But the thing that suprised me is that he is 12 for 12 in steals. 30yo, 215-pound slugger is not supposed to be out-stealing Willie Harris - which is why I want Willie to be running more and better. Is there any chance if Sox don't re-sign Maggs, Abreu ends up in black and white at some point? Not sure what the conracts situ is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quade36 Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Abreu is awesome.... 53 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Along with Garret Anderson, this guy has been highly underrated in the last 2-3 years. He is every bit as good and probably even a little better than Magglio IMO. And he is not asking for 15 Mill a year. But the thing that suprised me is that he is 12 for 12 in steals. 30yo, 215-pound slugger is not supposed to be out-stealing Willie Harris - which is why I want Willie to be running more and better. Is there any chance if Sox don't re-sign Maggs, Abreu ends up in black and white at some point? Not sure what the conracts situ is. Abreu better than Maggs? BIG FAT YAWNNNNNNN!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Along with Garret Anderson, this guy has been highly underrated in the last 2-3 years. The only reason I might disagree with that is because for the last 2-3 years he's always appeared on every baseball wonk's "Most Underrated" list. So does Garret, and Mags for that matter. He is every bit as good and probably even a little better than Magglio IMO. I don't think, IMO, that's there's any doubt he's better than Maggs. And he is not asking for 15 Mill a year. Not yet. He's making $10.6 million this season, but I don't know how many years his current contact has left on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 10, 2004 Author Share Posted June 10, 2004 Abreu better than Maggs? BIG FAT YAWNNNNNNN!!! Thanks for another informative response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Thanks for another informative response. Some things aren't worth going into detail. Abreu is good. No doubt about it. But he's in no way shape or form BETTER than, Maggs. Magglio is 1 hr and 1 rbi short of .300, 30 hr's, 100 rbi's in 5 straight years. Get back to me when Abreu does that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Some things aren't worth going into detail. Abreu is good. No doubt about it. But he's in no way shape or form BETTER than, Maggs. Magglio is 1 hr and 1 rbi short of .300, 30 hr's, 100 rbi's in 5 straight years. Get back to me when Abreu does that. I believe he was trying to get at that if we cannot resign Maggs, Abreu may be a guy we should look at trying to get or perhaps pulling a sign-and-trade sort of deal for Maggs. Both are great RF. However, if either Borchard or Reed can transfer their potential to the MLB level, then we need neither and maybe we can instead try a sign-and-trade for a top pitcher or SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 I believe he was trying to get at that if we cannot resign Maggs, Abreu may be a guy we should look at trying to get or perhaps pulling a sign-and-trade sort of deal for Maggs. Both are great RF. However, if either Borchard or Reed can transfer their potential to the MLB level, then we need neither and maybe we can instead try a sign-and-trade for a top pitcher or SS. I know exactly what he meant. But he did type that "Abreu was every bit as good as Maggs if not better"..I was just stating that I don't agree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Some things aren't worth going into detail. Abreu is good. No doubt about it. But he's in no way shape or form BETTER than, Maggs. Magglio is 1 hr and 1 rbi short of .300, 30 hr's, 100 rbi's in 5 straight years. Get back to me when Abreu does that. Maggs has a little more power, for sure, but here's how they stack up from 1998-2003: Abreu OPS -- .927 Mags OPS -- .892 Abreu OBP -- .410 Mags OBP -- .365 Abreu Avg Hr's -- 22 Mags Avg Hr's -- 29 Abreu Avg RBI's -- 90 Mags Avg RBI's -- 109 Abreu Avg SB's -- 27 Mags Avg SB's -- 13(and hasn't hit double digits since 2001) Can't take the homers away from Maggs, but as far as RBI's go, I think Maggs has played on a much higher-scoring team since 1998 than has Abreu. If you assume that, then Abreu beats Maggs in every other category but Hr's. Abreu is also better defensively, I think by a long-shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Maggs has a little more power, for sure, but here's how they stack up from 1998-2003: Abreu OPS -- .927 Mags OPS -- .892 Abreu OBP -- .410 Mags OBP -- .365 Abreu Avg Hr's -- 22 Mags Avg Hr's -- 29 Abreu Avg RBI's -- 90 Mags Avg RBI's -- 109 Abreu Avg SB's -- 27 Mags Avg SB's -- 13(and hasn't hit double digits since 2001) Can't take the homers away from Maggs, but as far as RBI's go, I think Maggs has played on a much higher-scoring team since 1998 than has Abreu. If you assume that, then Abreu beats Maggs in every other category but Hr's. Abreu is also better defensively, I think by a long-shot. I'm goin by the last 5 years. 99-2003. Maggs has hit more hr's and knocked in more runs. Has hit for a better batting average. I guess ops is pretty even. Abreu steals more bases. But it's not like the Sox have been built to run the last 5 years. They're pretty much the same defensively. Like I said..Abreu is good. But not better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 10, 2004 Author Share Posted June 10, 2004 Some things aren't worth going into detail. Abreu is good. No doubt about it. But he's in no way shape or form BETTER than, Maggs. Magglio is 1 hr and 1 rbi short of .300, 30 hr's, 100 rbi's in 5 straight years. Get back to me when Abreu does that. 1999-2004 OPS: Magglio - 915 Abreu - 940 1999-2004 Stolen Bases: Magglio - 72 Abreu - 156 1999-2004 GIDP: Magglio - 111 Abreu - 65 1999-2004 Range: Magglio - good (not great) Abreu - good (not great) 1999-2004 Arm Magglio - good Abreu - very good 2004 Salary Magglio - 14 M Abreu - 10 M Yeah I would say Abreu has been EASILY as good as Maggs in the last 5 years. Have a nice day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 1999-2004 OPS: Magglio - 915 Abreu - 940 1999-2004 Stolen Bases: Magglio - 72 Abreu - 156 1999-2004 GIDP: Magglio - 111 Abreu - 65 1999-2004 Range: Magglio - good (not great) Abreu - good (not great) 1999-2004 Arm Magglio - good Abreu - very good 2004 Salary Magglio - 14 M Abreu - 10 M Yeah I would say Abreu has been EASILY as good as Maggs in the last 5 years. Have a nice day. The ONLY thing i'll give you is the stolen bases. And like I said in an earlier post..It's not like AMERICAN league teams are built to run. If Maggs had the green-light..He could steal 25-30 bases a year easily. As far as the double plays. Well that's White Sox baseball at it's best. And as far as 2004 stats go. Maggs has been hurt and missed about 15 gms already. So that argument is dead. From 99-2003 Maggs has been better..Thank you for your time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 1999-2004 Arm Magglio - good Abreu - very good I dunno, Maggs has got a great arm. But I think Abreu may be a better player for "Ozzie Ball." Better defensively, can put pressure on running the bases, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 abreu has been better, is better now, and will most likely continue to be better than maggs. and that is not even taking into consideration he is left-handed and makes less $$. but there is no point arguing this on a white sox board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 10, 2004 Author Share Posted June 10, 2004 Boy talk about full of s***..... The ONLY thing i'll give you is the stolen bases. I am not asking you to "give" me anything, dope. Reality speaks for itself. Next time don't spout off about a player's "obvious" superiority without checking stats first. It's not like AMERICAN league teams are built to run. Bulls*** is getting deeper. Crawford, Beltran, A-Rod, Soriano, Durham, Jeter, Damon and MANY others seem to be running just fine. If Maggs had the green-light..He could steal 25-30 bases a year easily. Yes and he would get CAUGHT 15-20 times just as easily. The reason why he stopped getting greenlight in 2000's was because he RAN HIMSELF INTO TOO MANY OUTS as he got heavier and slower and more complacent with his jumps. Duh. Not that your "wouldas" haver anything to do with reality.....Abreu ran Magglio off the bases and that's the bottomline. As far as the double plays. Well that's White Sox baseball at it's best. Huh, what the f*** are talking about? Magglio created 9 EXTRA outs per year in the last 5 years because of DP hit into. It's a fact. In order to adjust their respective overall production for those extra GIDP, you either have to give Magglio 9 errors per year, or take away 9 of his singles a year, or give Abreu 9 extra singles, etc..... And as far as 2004 stats go. Maggs has been hurt and missed about 15 gms already. So that argument is dead. Yeah, about as dead as your brain. The most important offensive stat, OPS, is unaffected by the amount of games played and Maggs has only missed a couple of weeks. From 99-2003 Maggs has been better.. Only in your ignorant, Magglio-loving world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 10, 2004 Author Share Posted June 10, 2004 I dunno, Maggs has got a great arm. Magglio's arm has been HIGHLY overrated in the last 2 years. It's gotten to a point where everybody was running on him last year. Abreu doesn't throw as well as he used to, but his arm has always been better than Maggs's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 He’s been hitting our starting pitchers pretty hard. All I see from this guy (these past two days) is HR’s. Schoeneweis has to be careful because Abreu isn’t afraid to hit one out of the ballpark. But the thing that suprised me is that he is 12 for 12 in steals. Damn... that is impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 This should be no argument. For the money they are making, Abreu>Maggs. Period. If both make equal amounts of money, I still take Abreu over Maggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 10, 2004 Author Share Posted June 10, 2004 If both make equal amounts of money, I still take Abreu over Maggs. Maggs has a higher ceiling, but at 30yo he is running out of time to prove that he is a 1st ballot HOF talent. Fact is, Abreu has been EASILY as good as Maggs in the last 5 years. I am being generous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Maggs has a higher ceiling, but at 30yo he is running out of time to prove that he is a 1st ballot HOF talent. Fact is, Abreu has been EASILY as good as Maggs in the last 5 years. I am being generous. You mean the high ceiling we saw glimpses of in 2002? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 I'm goin by the last 5 years. 99-2003. Maggs has hit more hr's and knocked in more runs. Has hit for a better batting average. I guess ops is pretty even. Abreu steals more bases. But it's not like the Sox have been built to run the last 5 years. They're pretty much the same defensively. Like I said..Abreu is good. But not better. That chick in your signature looks like she's straight outta the Trailer Park, mang. But she still has all of her teeth. I'm still waiting for the day when someone inserts a pic of a REAL WOMAN in their avatar or signature. You guys are all child molesters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 That sig is annyoing. It takes up way to much room on the page. Chick isnt even that hot. Because there are so many questionable and overly-large sigs, I clicked the option to not view them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Because there are so many questionable and overly-large sigs, I clicked the option to not view them. I think that I might do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Along with Garret Anderson, this guy has been highly underrated in the last 2-3 years. He is every bit as good and probably even a little better than Magglio IMO. And he is not asking for 15 Mill a year. But the thing that suprised me is that he is 12 for 12 in steals. 30yo, 215-pound slugger is not supposed to be out-stealing Willie Harris - which is why I want Willie to be running more and better. Is there any chance if Sox don't re-sign Maggs, Abreu ends up in black and white at some point? Not sure what the conracts situ is. Darn, Gotta Agree with ya Abreu is a good solid player so is Garrett "Mr.Doubles" Anderson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Abreu is probably better overall then maggs maybe but still the way you went off on that 1 person was wrong brando only a jackass would go off like that on some person trying to make his point so to you i say this :dips*** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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