CWSGuy406 Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 :headshake :banghead Steff, I compare some of the people on this board to talking to a box. It's useless... :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Some of you are so funny. JR is NOT the "boss". He is the "chairman" elected to be the voice. He doesn't make the decisions on payroll. It's a vote. He isn't even (close to being) the majority shareholder. There are several others with double the holdings than he has. The only reason he was chosen is because he was already in the public eye with owning the Bulls. And red&white.. how did you become aware that JR and Magg's agent are so far off in $$'s? How do you know that JR is even involved this early in negotiations..? And how about the fact that Maggs himself denied rumors of a deal..? Magg's a liar..? all Maggs denied is the part about the deal being a 5 year 70 million dollar deal. that's all. This banter means nothing, if we win and go deep in the playoffs we will sign him anyway. We are taking our eye off the ball, its this year we need to concern ourselves with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 all Maggs denied is the part about the deal being a 5 year 70 million dollar deal. that's all. This banter means nothing, if we win and go deep in the playoffs we will sign him anyway. We are taking our eye off the ball, its this year we need to concern ourselves with. Bla, bla, bla.... Slow baseball day. Let us talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 So what its irrelevant. You are correct, it is irrelevant. Since we, as loyal fans of the White Sox shareholders, would rather applaud them toeing some payroll limit then winning a World Series. Lose games but make money YEAH!!! Let's get a list of the Shareholders and start singing their virtues since we seem more interested in them making money then winning a f***ing World Series. I can just imagine the posts Wow, did you see where Barry Jones just increased his net worth? He's almost at $10,000,000! Dam let's see if we can sign the full roster to MLB minimum salaries and really put him over the top! Go Shareholders!! By the way, can you name anyone on the roster, you know the guys who play? "play what?" "baseball" "really, that's the business they are in? Cool, I thought White Socks meant textiles." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 I realize every gm has pressure. But this Magglio situation is different. We need pitching. Everybody wants Reed or Borchard. Yet those are our main replacements for, Maggs. So he's kind of in a no win situation. Please tell me why they have to be the replacements for maggs. Are there no otehr free agents on the market next year? can trades not be made? Can we not sign maggs after the season? If we make the playoffs do you beleive they will dismantle the team? Just win and everything will work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 I'd compare him to Bobby Abreu. I said this earlier. I'd give him five years for sixty million. Take it or leave it. IIRC, Bobby Abreu makes right around ten million a year, and, Brando posted the stats in one of these threads, they were pretty damn similar to Maggs numbers. 12 million a year should be enough for Mags, IMO. But I guess he feels differently though. But, like quick said - let's worry about this years pennant race and how we can improve THIS team, not about next year... keep in mind Abreu's contract was signed when money was grown on trees including multi multi multi 6 times over deals to Manny Ramirez and Alex Rodriguez.. If Abreu is comparable to Maggs which I think is a pretty good comparison, and Abreu was given his contract in a time where the market was inflated, I think Maggs actually should be given less than Abreu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 You are correct, it is irrelevant. Since we, as loyal fans of the White Sox shareholders, would rather applaud them toeing some payroll limit then winning a World Series. Lose games but make money YEAH!!! Let's get a list of the Shareholders and start singing their virtues since we seem more interested in them making money then winning a f***ing World Series. I can just imagine the posts Wow, did you see where Barry Jones just increased his net worth? He's almost at $10,000,000! Dam let's see if we can sign the full roster to MLB minimum salaries and really put him over the top! Go Shareholders!! By the way, can you name anyone on the roster, you know the guys who play? "play what?" "baseball" "really, that's the business they are in? Cool, I thought White Socks meant textiles." no clue on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 You are correct, it is irrelevant. Since we, as loyal fans of the White Sox shareholders, would rather applaud them toeing some payroll limit then winning a World Series. Lose games but make money YEAH!!! Let's get a list of the Shareholders and start singing their virtues since we seem more interested in them making money then winning a f***ing World Series. I can just imagine the posts Wow, did you see where Barry Jones just increased his net worth? He's almost at $10,000,000! Dam let's see if we can sign the full roster to MLB minimum salaries and really put him over the top! Go Shareholders!! By the way, can you name anyone on the roster, you know the guys who play? "play what?" "baseball" "really, that's the business they are in? Cool, I thought White Socks meant textiles." Everyone would like a Yankee sized payroll - fact is, we don't have one. IMO, a 60 million + budget that will increase as long as we keep playing well is pretty fair. Hell, if we make the playoffs this season, we could see it go to 70Million +. You don't need a high payroll to win championships. Draft well. Use your money wisely. Which is exactly why we can't have a fourteen million dollar contract on a sixty million + budget... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Some of you are so funny. JR is NOT the "boss". He is the "chairman" elected to be the voice. He doesn't make the decisions on payroll. It's a vote. He isn't even (close to being) the majority shareholder. There are several others with double the holdings than he has. The only reason he was chosen is because he was already in the public eye with owning the Bulls. And red&white.. how did you become aware that JR and Magg's agent are so far off in $$'s? How do you know that JR is even involved this early in negotiations..? And how about the fact that Maggs himself denied rumors of a deal..? Magg's a liar..? Steff- Number 1: Would you mind telling us who the other shareholders are so we can understand who else to talk about? Number 2: Maggs is acting like an SOB for leaving us. (Response to Red&White's previous comments of him as a liar.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Please tell me why they have to be the replacements for maggs. Are there no otehr free agents on the market next year? can trades not be made? Can we not sign maggs after the season? If we make the playoffs do you beleive they will dismantle the team? Just win and everything will work out. Hey man. I hope you're right. I'm just looking at the positives and negatives. But like you said. We should all try and focus on THIS season. It just sucks this all has to be brought up at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 SAYONARA LOSER!!! I'm so sick of the Magglio fanatics in this town. I can't wait until he's gawn! He is the most over-rated 30/300/100 player in the game today. The bulk of his rbi's come in blowouts. So his stats get padded. Just like Sosa's in the month of June when he hammers 20 HR. The simple fact of the matter is that at Magglio's age he is far less likely to repeat 30/300/100 then he is to surpass those numbers. Which makes his value far less than 14 mil /yr. Look at his performance in 2004. I'd say it rates at best 6 mil. The future of this team is Carlos Lee as far as position players go. I've been saying this for yrs. The SOX have never had a problem signing Carlos & it still remains more likely that he will get better than worse. If I'm the SOX after I deal Magglio for a solid arm to win the division I turn around & give Lee a 3 yr extension. That would be a great in your face to the loser who thinks there are more greener pastuers else where. If that be Wrigley then so be it. How many games have SOX won with Magglio's inconsistent production month to month? That's the bottom line. Why the F would any team sign a player who's not even in the top 10 in the AL to 14 mil/yr? He's luck to finish in the top 20 in 2004. This is another fine example of greed. Buehrle was greedy & it back-fired on him. The same will happen to Maggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Number 2: Maggs is acting like an SOB for leaving us. (Response to Red&White's previous comments of him as a liar.) I called Maggs a liar in this thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Everyone would like a Yankee sized payroll - fact is, we don't have one. IMO, a 60 million + budget that will increase as long as we keep playing well is pretty fair. Hell, if we make the playoffs this season, we could see it go to 70Million +. You don't need a high payroll to win championships. Draft well. Use your money wisely. Which is exactly why we can't have a fourteen million dollar contract on a sixty million + budget... draft well and then what? If you canot keep the superstars you develop, when are you going to win a Wordls Series? no clue on this one. Commenting on the Twins winning the central without an $85 million dollar payroll, I posted that no team has won the WS from the Central in a very long time and that if we were in the East, we wouldn't even sniff the playoffs. That was characterized as irrelevant. I guess actually winning a World Series is irrelevant to Sox fans, but the shareholders collective net worth is. :headshake :puke on losers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 SAYONARA LOSER!!! I'm so sick of the Magglio fanatics in this town. I can't wait until he's gawn! He is the most over-rated 30/300/100 player in the game today. The bulk of his rbi's come in blowouts. So his stats get padded. Just like Sosa's in the month of June when he hammers 20 HR. The simple fact of the matter is that at Magglio's age he is far less likely to repeat 30/300/100 then he is to surpass those numbers. Which makes his value far less than 14 mil /yr. Look at his performance in 2004. I'd say it rates at best 6 mil. The future of this team is Carlos Lee as far as position players go. I've been saying this for yrs. The SOX have never had a problem signing Carlos & it still remains more likely that he will get better than worse. If I'm the SOX after I deal Magglio for a solid arm to win the division I turn around & give Lee a 3 yr extension. That would be a great in your face to the loser who thinks there are more greener pastuers else where. If that be Wrigley then so be it. How many games have SOX won with Magglio's inconsistent production month to month? That's the bottom line. Why the F would any team sign a player who's not even in the top 10 in the AL to 14 mil/yr? He's luck to finish in the top 20 in 2004. This is another fine example of greed. Buehrle was greedy & it back-fired on him. The same will happen to Maggs. I won't even waste my time... :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Steff- Number 1: Would you mind telling us who the other shareholders are so we can understand who else to talk about? Number 2: Maggs is acting like an SOB for leaving us. (Response to Red&White's previous comments of him as a liar.) Why is Maggs acting like a SOB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 I called Maggs a liar in this thread? No, you didn't. I asked "is Magg's lying?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Everyone would like a Yankee sized payroll - fact is, we don't have one. IMO, a 60 million + budget that will increase as long as we keep playing well is pretty fair. Hell, if we make the playoffs this season, we could see it go to 70Million +. You don't need a high payroll to win championships. Draft well. Use your money wisely. Which is exactly why we can't have a fourteen million dollar contract on a sixty million + budget... draft well and then what? If you cannot keep the superstars you develop, when are you going to win a Worlds Series? no clue on this one. Commenting on the Twins winning the central without an $85 million dollar payroll, I posted that no team has won the WS from the Central in a very long time and that if we were in the East, we wouldn't even sniff the playoffs. That was characterized as irrelevant. I guess actually winning a World Series is irrelevant to Sox fans, but the shareholders collective net worth is. :headshake :puke on losers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 I don't think any central team has won a world series since the format changed in 94. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 If its true that he turned down 15 mil a year over 5 seasons then he can leave and I wont miss him. I think we can do better using that money on another starter and a legit closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Guys that can afford to own baseball teams didn't get to that position by throwing good money after bad into the garbage. I've made my feelings known in the past about the Sox's budget. It is what it is for a reason. No use in flipping the bird on a message board about it. Personally, I am not losing much sleep over Maggs. Money not spent on him can be spent elsewhere. Agreed. But then, I don't want to hear JR's bulls*** about how much he'd like to win a World Series more than anything in the world! JR is a businessman, obviously a damned good one, because he's made millions! It is also obvious that profit is his ONLY REAL GOAL! He doesn't care about winning a WS, just about turning a profit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 i dunno, if that were entirely true he wouldn't have opened his wallet for finding a legit 5th starter like he has and he wouldn't have let us go over the 58 mill he proposed before the season started. I agree, but not quite to the extent you're saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 draft well and then what? If you cannot keep the superstars you develop, when are you going to win a Worlds Series? Commenting on the Twins winning the central without an $85 million dollar payroll, I posted that no team has won the WS from the Central in a very long time and that if we were in the East, we wouldn't even sniff the playoffs. That was characterized as irrelevant. I guess actually winning a World Series is irrelevant to Sox fans, but the shareholders collective net worth is. :headshake :puke on losers Geez Texsox, I bet the Oakland Athletics probably suck too. I mean, they've lost such homegrown stars as Miguel Tejada, Jason Giambi, and Johnny Damon, not to mention (non-homegrown) star like Keith Foulke. They must suck, huh? No - they don't suck. In fact, they win the always tough AL West year after year after year, or at least win Wildcard. How? Spend money wisely. You want to pay Maggs 15 million, more than Vlad Guerrero, who is clearly superior (Numbers-wise, Defense-wise, Age-wise) to Maggs? More than Bobby Abreu, who put up numbers about equal to Maggs, yet is only making around ten million? We hand out a ludacris contract like that and we won't be able to afford Mark Buerhle a couple of years down the line, Jon Garland, and budding stars like Miguel Olivo and (hopefully) Jeremy Reed. Not to mention no flexibility when it comes to signing free agents (OH yeah, this is a nice class for free agents.) Don't kid yourself - we all want to win a World Series, that is the one and only goal. And by not signing Maggs to a huge contract isn't putting up a white flag. Just because we don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be stupid about it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 This is also 40 years of frustration with ownership bowing down to the Cubs and crying poor. At some point you realize your favorite team may never win a championship before you die. It's always anotehr rendition of these youngsters can play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Oh alright, didnt read this. And red&white.. how did you become aware that JR and Magg's agent are so far off in $$'s? How do you know that JR is even involved this early in negotiations..? And how about the fact that Maggs himself denied rumors of a deal..? Magg's a liar..? Reading articles regarding the situation probably helps.. maybe the fact that it is not early in the negotiations as Maggs has already broken them off.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 We hand out a ludacris contract like that and we won't be able to afford Mark Buerhle a couple of years down the line, Jon Garland, and budding stars like Miguel Olivo and (hopefully) Jeremy Reed. Not to mention no flexibility when it comes to signing free agents (OH yeah, this is a nice class for free agents.) well put, but Damon came up with the Royals, not the A's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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