EvilJester99 Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 Supposedly Ramon Ortiz has requested a trade and the Sox may have offered Jose V for him. Found this on ESPN's Angel boards. Like I said I don't know how true this is though. http://boards.espn.go.com/cgi/mlb/request....b_ana&id=346804 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 All i have to say that would be a terrible trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 If its from the Angel boards then I doubt it is.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 If its from the Angel boards then I doubt it is.. It was on rotoworld also, I think that offer is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted June 12, 2004 Author Share Posted June 12, 2004 Ramon has been solid out of the pen for the Angels but as a starter he has sucked big time. I wouldn't want this trade either but was wondering if anyone else heard this. So many damn rumors flying around now. I do hope KW pulls off something good very soon. I am getting too damn impatient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 That is also on rotoworld. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 world series ring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxShuf Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 Ortiz as the closer, very intriguing. Valentin is hitting fairly well, and I think Uribe will end up coming down to earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 I see the sox will just let Uribe be the SS then for the rest of the season.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 I say we throw in Ordonez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 I see the sox will just let Uribe be the SS then for the rest of the season.. I don't think I like that. I like having the problem of appearing deep on the offensive side, where we have Jose, Uribe, and Willie all being able to play a little of either SS, 2B, or CF. I really don't want to give up anyone on the offensive side of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 I say we throw in Ordonez. :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 I don't think I like that. I like having the problem of appearing deep on the offensive side, where we have Jose, Uribe, and Willie all being able to play a little of either SS, 2B, or CF. I really don't want to give up anyone on the offensive side of the team. Which is why I dont see this deal happening. Just another rumor floating around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 I don't think I like that. I like having the problem of appearing deep on the offensive side, where we have Jose, Uribe, and Willie all being able to play a little of either SS, 2B, or CF. I really don't want to give up anyone on the offensive side of the team. Well if jose is traded that opens the door for a finley or a beltran(will never happen) basically if jose is gone I think kenny would go out and look for that left handed pop to play center field. I'm sure kenny's thinking behind this is to give ortiz a shot to close not to have him start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
th0mas35 Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 Ramon Ortiz is not the answer. but I'd do the trade mostly because Uribe is our future SS and I want to see Gload playing everyday until Maggs gets back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 Excuse me while I go run into a wall at full speed. This trade is god awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 I could see Ortiz in the bullpen, not a starter. I'll take a Ortiz/Koch deal anyday of the week though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 Ortiz has a 1.35 era as a reliever. While I definitely think jose for ramon straight up would be dumb if anaheim adds a prospect or two it might be something to thinkg about. Like I said before he'd probably get a shot to close. It would also free up another 1.5 million while not a ton it's something and could definitely help in making another trade for a garcia or a finely, just something to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxman352000 Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 I don't want Ramon Ortiz, he not the anwser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 I'm in the majority and definitely against this. Ortiz.....nah, especially not for jose, he's been impressing as of late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 "But with Sele and closer Troy Percival on the DL and Ortiz pitching far better since he was dropped from the rotation in early May, there appears to be virtually no chance of the Angels' trading Ortiz any time soon." We'll just have to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 I'd take Ramon Ortiz, he was once a hot commodity, he knows how to pitch and he can be had for cheap... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 This rumor was reported in the LA Times. I doubt its true. As much as I am not a fan of Valentin, this would make the White Sox even more right handed. Manos is a favorite of KW. The LA Times is a Tribune Co. paper, btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 Excuse me while I go run into a wall at full speed. This trade is god awful. Don't make any holes. I want to run into that wall as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 This trade doesn't make much sense for either team. I really don't think the Sox can afford to trade Valentin. Crede is really struggling, Harris and Uribe might regress in the 2nd half, and Maggs is still out. On the Anaheim side, with Sele going down to injury and only 1 starter with an ERA below 5.35, I don't think the Angels have the luxery to trade a pitcher. Furthermore, I am not a big fan of Ortiz. The guy has a very good arm, but has never put together a really good season. I think a power hitting SS/3B like Valentin has a little more value than an inconsistant unproven starter. If the Sox are going to get a pitcher from the Angels, than it better be either Shields or Gregg. I don't think the Sox can address their 5th starter hole for a bottom of the rotation starter. I think that the Sox top 4 have overachieved to some extent this far, and could regress some in the 2nd half(3 bad starts in a row as we currently speak). The Sox need a front of the rotation starter(with everyone else moving down a slot) if they are serious about contending. They can't settle for question marks like Ortiz, Benson, or Contreras and hope for the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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