hammerhead johnson Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Cubs in the playoffs = bad, bad, bad thing for Soxdom. Unless the Sox meet up with them in the world series & wax those poor slobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Unless the Sox meet up with them in the world series & wax those poor slobs. No. Sox must win the Series while the Cubs fail to make it to postseason. They must then rinse and repeat that one more time. Sox not winning the Series twice in 1994 and/or 2000-2003 has caught up with them big time. Now the Cubs might just do it. More than once. :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 15, 2004 Author Share Posted June 15, 2004 They were 5 outs away from going to and most likely winning the World Series last year, and you still don't take them seriously. All they did this past offseason was get a damn good 1Bman, add Todd Walker, sign LaTroy Hawkins, and get Greg Maddux. They won something like 90 games with Shawn Estes as their #5 with Matt Clement struggling most of the year. Clement has figured his s*** out, Zambrano is filthy, Wood and Prior are dominant, and Maddux is a solid pitcher. If they add another reliever, they could be the team to beat in the NL. You know what that means. Time for us to get another starter, a stud reliever, and Steve Finley, and watch Oz-ball take form. Watch us get the clutch hits that are needed to be gotten, and get the huge pitching performances when our backs are up against the wall. And to this day, I still think a Cubs-White Sox World Series would be great for baseball, but terrible for the city of Chicago...like literally. You consider how heated the Cubs-Sox rivalry is with just interleague play, imagine if it actually meant that one of the streaks would be broken. In-f***ing-tense. The 1986 Red Sox were ONE OUT away from a WORLD SERIES TITLE against the Mets and they LOST. Them gettin that close didn't mean a damn thing for them in 1987, DID IT? I don't care that the Cubs were 5 outs away from a world series, THEY LOST. As far as their off-season additions, that's all fine and dandy. The Cubs aren't the only team to make decent off-season additions. It doesn't guranteee a damn thing though. As far as the Cubs winning 90 gms. That's false. They won 88 to be exact. 3 less than the WILD card Marlins. Proving that they took advantage of a WEAK division. Not to forget that they were aided by a sissy, cupcake schedule the last 3 and a half weeks of the season that consisted of the Pirates, Reds, and Brewers. You could make a damn good argument that if Roy Oswalt had been healthy and made 30 plus starts that they and not the Cubs would have won the central last year. Lets not forget the Cubs won the division by ONE GAME. Even with all that said i'm not saying the Cubs don't have the potential to be really good. But, seeing is believing. There's not one team in the national league that anybody can say is a powerhouse right now. You may say the Cubs have had a lot of injuries, and that's true. But, if you're into the Cubs as much as you seem you would know that they've lost a lot of gms they could've won regardless of the injuries due to mainly the inabilty to come through in clutch rbi situations. Something that the really good teams do 80-85% of the time. When the Cubs get 15-20 gms above .500 then you can come back and tell me how wrong I was for not giving them as much credit as you think they deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 They were 5 outs away from going to and most likely winning the World Series last year, and you still don't take them seriously. All they did this past offseason was get a damn good 1Bman, add Todd Walker, sign LaTroy Hawkins, and get Greg Maddux. They won something like 90 games with Shawn Estes as their #5 with Matt Clement struggling most of the year. Clement has figured his s*** out, Zambrano is filthy, Wood and Prior are dominant, and Maddux is a solid pitcher. If they add another reliever, they could be the team to beat in the NL. You know what that means. Time for us to get another starter, a stud reliever, and Steve Finley, and watch Oz-ball take form. Watch us get the clutch hits that are needed to be gotten, and get the huge pitching performances when our backs are up against the wall. And to this day, I still think a Cubs-White Sox World Series would be great for baseball, but terrible for the city of Chicago...like literally. You consider how heated the Cubs-Sox rivalry is with just interleague play, imagine if it actually meant that one of the streaks would be broken. In-f***ing-tense. 88 wins, far from a dominate year. They won the division last year in an easy division, this year it isn't an easy division. They have no closer as of right now(but like brando said they could go out and acquire someone) their starting pitching is awesome but clement will definitely cool down and maddux isn't great anymore, still solid not great. There is offense is worse then last year because they don't have a true leadoff man. Lofton is what made their offense click last year and they don't have that this year. Can the cubs make the playoffs and win the world series sure but is it a lock, far from it. If the cards continue to have solid starting pitching they are probably a better team then the cubs and I think the astros are also better. The thing with the cubs is they're going to have to get to the playoffs if they do get in thats when they'll scare me because they have the starting pitching to matchup with anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 15, 2004 Author Share Posted June 15, 2004 88 wins, far from a dominate year. They won the division last year in an easy division, this year it isn't an easy division. They have no closer as of right now(but like brando said they could go out and acquire someone) their starting pitching is awesome but clement will definitely cool down and maddux isn't great anymore, still solid not great. There is offense is worse then last year because they don't have a true leadoff man. Lofton is what made their offense click last year and they don't have that this year. Can the cubs make the playoffs and win the world series sure but is it a lock, far from it. If the cards continue to have solid starting pitching they are probably a better team then the cubs and I think the astros are also better. The thing with the cubs is they're going to have to get to the playoffs if they do get in thats when they'll scare me because they have the starting pitching to matchup with anyone. I agree with everything you just said..Props man!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 No. Sox must win the Series while the Cubs fail to make it to postseason. They must then rinse and repeat that one more time. Sox not winning the Series twice in 1994 and/or 2000-2003 has caught up with them big time. Now the Cubs might just do it. More than once. :puke A world series title is a world series title, but it would be so much sweeter if we could take them out while we're at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 The 1986 Red Sox were ONE OUT away from a WORLD SERIES TITLE against the Mets and they LOST. Them gettin that close didn't mean a damn thing for them in 1987, DID IT? I don't care that the Cubs were 5 outs away from a world series, THEY LOST. As far as their off-season additions, that's all fine and dandy. The Cubs aren't the only team to make decent off-season additions. It doesn't guranteee a damn thing though. As far as the Cubs winning 90 gms. That's false. They won 88 to be exact. 3 less than the WILD card Marlins. Proving that they took advantage of a WEAK division. Not to forget that they were aided by a sissy, cupcake schedule the last 3 and a half weeks of the season that consisted of the Pirates, Reds, and Brewers. You could make a damn good argument that if Roy Oswalt had been healthy and made 30 plus starts that they and not the Cubs would have won the central last year. Lets not forget the Cubs won the division by ONE GAME. Even with all that said i'm not saying the Cubs don't have the potential to be really good. But, seeing is believing. There's not one team in the national league that anybody can say is a powerhouse right now. You may say the Cubs have had a lot of injuries, and that's true. But, if you're into the Cubs as much as you seem you would know that they've lost a lot of gms they could've won regardless of the injuries due to mainly the inabilty to come through in clutch rbi situations. Something that the really good teams do 80-85% of the time. When the Cubs get 15-20 gms above .500 then you can come back and tell me how wrong I was for not giving them as much credit as you think they deserve. Komedy gold. This guy talks about Roy Oswalt.....Yeah and if Prior doesn't miss a month, if Sosa doesn't miss almost a month and if Ramirez and Lofton are there from the very beginning, that team wins 95 games with ease. Easy schedule? Guess what genius, CUBS PLAYED ALL THE TOUGH TEAMS IN THE FIRST HALF SO OF COURSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE EASIER TEAMS LATER ON....Reminds me of Sox fans whining about Twins coasting through Septmeber, forgetting that those same Twins were playing Yankees, Red Sox, A's early in the season while Sox were getting embrassed by Detroit and Cleveland..... Easy division? Are you kidding me? There was NEVER in the history of divisional play a division as cumulatively pathetic as 2003 ALC. Minnesota was the only team that had a prayer finishing above .500 in ANY other division Cubs also outplayed the Braves and were 2 great defensive plays by Alex Gonzalez in Game 1 (Sosa hit missiles with a GW run in scoring position in late innings that would have likely ended the game before Marlins had a chance to win in the extra innings) away from SWEEPING THE MARLINS. And they got better in 2004......If Prior, Wood, Sosa, Walker and Co were all healthy, Cubs would be 15 games over .500 right now. Hell, they are AHEAD of the Astros as it as. Now they just need a lot of bad recurring injuries and hopefully they never reach their full potential and miss the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 A world series title is a world series title, but it would be so much sweeter if we could take them out while we're at it. No, it wouldn't be. Do you not understand why Sox must succeed as much as possible while Cubs must fail as much as possible at the same time? Do you not see why Cubs must be kept away from the playoffs, let alone the Series, at ALL cost? The best case scenario is Sox winning 110 games and the Series, while Cubs lose 110 games. Many times over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 15, 2004 Author Share Posted June 15, 2004 Komedy gold. This guy talks about Roy Oswalt.....Yeah and if Prior doesn't miss a month, if Sosa doesn't miss almost a month and if Ramirez and Lofton are there from the very beginning, that team wins 95 games with ease. Easy schedule? Guess what genius, CUBS PLAYED ALL THE TOUGH TEAMS IN THE FIRST HALF SO OF COURSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE EASIER TEAMS LATER ON....Reminds me of Sox fans whining about Twins coasting through Septmeber, forgetting that those same Twins were playing Yankees, Red Sox, A's early while Sox were getting embrassed by Detroit and Cleveland..... Easy division? Are you kidding me? There was NEVER in the history of divisional play a division as cumulatively pathetic as 2003 ALC. Minnesota was the only team that had a prayer finishing above .500 in ANY other division Cubs also outplayed the Braves and were 2 great defensive plays by Alex Gonzalez in Game 2 (Sosa hit missiles with a GW run in scoring position in late innings that would have likely ended the game before Marlins had a chance to win in the extra innings) away from SWEEPING THE MARLINS. And they got better in 2004......If Prior, Wood, Sosa, Walker and Co were all healthy, Cubs would be 15 games over .500 right now. Hell, they are AHEAD of the Astros as it as. Now they just need a lot of bad recurring injuries and hopefully they never reach their full potential and miss the playoffs. Ok..1st of all. You need to stop with this lame ass "the only way to stop the Cubs is to hope they have a bunch of injuries". That's just retarded right there. I'm not gonna wish injuries on ANYBODY. As far as Prior missing a month. The Cubs still had Wood, Zambrano, and Clement to hold down the fort. Other than Wade Miller, Who did the Astro's have last year? Oswalt missing 10-15 starts was critical and was no doubt the difference in the Cubs winning the division. As far as Sosa goes they more then held their own while he was out. I'm not sure what their record was but I know it was over. 500. The Cubs were a whopping 3 gms above .500 going into September. They end up 14 gms over. With a schedule that consisted basically of the Reds, Pirates, and Brewers. Just coincidence? I didn't think so. The nl central was flat out bad. The Marlins won 91 gms as a wild card. That's all you really need to know. As far as the Cubs and Marlins series goes. I could care less about Bartman, Gonzalez, Harry Carry, God, the goat or whatever. They blew a 3-1 lead with the last 2 gms at home. They CHOKED. End of story. They're not the 1st team to CHOKE and they won't be the last. But, bottomline is they CHOKED As far as them being better in 2004. I'll take a wait and see approach. YOu can blame the Cub injuies all you want. They've lost a s***load of gms they could've won regardless of injuries. And by the way. NO TEAM IN THE LEAGUE HAS HAD AS MANY INURIES AS THE ANGELS. And until just recently. They were in 1st place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 15, 2004 Author Share Posted June 15, 2004 Komedy gold. This guy talks about Roy Oswalt.....Yeah and if Prior doesn't miss a month, if Sosa doesn't miss almost a month and if Ramirez and Lofton are there from the very beginning, that team wins 95 games with ease. Easy schedule? Guess what genius, CUBS PLAYED ALL THE TOUGH TEAMS IN THE FIRST HALF SO OF COURSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE EASIER TEAMS LATER ON....Reminds me of Sox fans whining about Twins coasting through Septmeber, forgetting that those same Twins were playing Yankees, Red Sox, A's early in the season while Sox were getting embrassed by Detroit and Cleveland..... Easy division? Are you kidding me? There was NEVER in the history of divisional play a division as cumulatively pathetic as 2003 ALC. Minnesota was the only team that had a prayer finishing above .500 in ANY other division Cubs also outplayed the Braves and were 2 great defensive plays by Alex Gonzalez in Game 1 (Sosa hit missiles with a GW run in scoring position in late innings that would have likely ended the game before Marlins had a chance to win in the extra innings) away from SWEEPING THE MARLINS. And they got better in 2004......If Prior, Wood, Sosa, Walker and Co were all healthy, Cubs would be 15 games over .500 right now. Hell, they are AHEAD of the Astros as it as. Now they just need a lot of bad recurring injuries and hopefully they never reach their full potential and miss the playoffs. Oh yeah. As far as your if they had had Lofton and Ramirez all year. Did u forget that they only reason they traded for Lofton was because PATTERSON GOT HURT. Lofton basically filled in for a guy that was having an all-star caliber year. There goes that argument. As far as, Ramirez goes? He was no doubt an upgrade. But he wasn't even in the top 10 as far as reasons why the Cubs won that divison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Ok..1st of all. You need to stop with this lame ass "the only way to stop the Cubs is to hope they have a bunch of injuries". That's just retarded right there. I'm not gonna wish injuries on ANYBODY f***. You. I will wish whatever I want on whomever I want. (Angels having the most injuries has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the fact that Cubs are a 100-win team this year if Prior, Wood, Sosa, Walker, Remlinger, Borowski were all healthy and from the start. It's called "having by far the most talent in the league". But whatever, I wouldn't expect a Sox fan to know anything about the Cubs. Stay biased for all I care. "Ramirez not being in the top 10 reason why Cubs are successful"? You're a moron. ) Let's all hope Cubs lose the next 10 games and have really bad luck the rest of the season and miss playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 15, 2004 Author Share Posted June 15, 2004 f***. You. I will wish whatever I want on whomever I want. (Angels having the most injuries has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the fact that Cubs are a 100-win team this year if Prior, Wood, Sosa, Walker, Remlinger, Borowski were all healthy and from the start. It's called "having by far the most talent in the league". But whatever, I wouldn't expect a Sox fan to know anything about the Cubs. Stay biased for all I care. "Ramirez not being in the top 10 reason why Cubs are successful"? You're a moron. ) Let's all hope Cubs lose the next 10 games and have really bad luck the rest of the season and miss playoffs. LOL..What else is new. Disagree with the great Brando and he starts with the "f*** you". Am I gettin under your "Cub" lovin skin? Why don't you take your old lame ass to northsidebaseball.com and stop posin as a Sox fan. You're not foolin anybody. And by the way. f*** YOU TOO. BIATCHHHHHHHHHHH :finger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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