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NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 Satchel Paige won Rookie of the Year honors at the young and chipper age of 40 after playing for years in the Negro leauges. There's your precedent. However dont forget that the season isint even half over yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 14, 2004 Author Share Posted June 14, 2004 I think it disrespects Japanese baseball not not consider their league as an equal to MLB. Look at some of the guys that have done the reverse, would you consider a 32 year old ex-MLB player a "rookie" in Japan. Change the rules, it isn't fair for the guys that are just up from AAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 I think the writers are starting to question giving the rookie of the year award to players like Shingo. Hideki Matsui was well-deserving of the rookie of the year award in the AL last year; however, I think the media kind of froze him out because of his years in Japan. It's pretty interesting, because they gave it to Ichiro and Nomo. Also, Jackie Robinson was the rookie of the year and he had many years of experience in the Negro Leagues. I really think he should be in the running if his numbers are there. You should have a shot at the rookie of the year award, if it's your first season in MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 I have always said this, and just because Shingo is on the Sox it doesn't change my opinion, if you have played professional baseball at a major league level somewhere else in the world, you shouldn't be eligible to be a Rookie of the Year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 I think it disrespects Japanese baseball not not consider their league as an equal to MLB. Look at some of the guys that have done the reverse, would you consider a 32 year old ex-MLB player a "rookie" in Japan. Change the rules, it isn't fair for the guys that are just up from AAA. It's no disrespect, it's the way it is. There are only a handful of Japan league players right now that could start in the MLB. On the other hand, there are probably only a handful of MLB'ers that wouldn't start in Japan. I believe Joe Crede is one of them.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 The Expos would face contraction in Japan... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 While I ageree the rules need to change, but as they stand, yes, he is a rookie. Ichiru was, so why shouldn't Mr Zero be considered a rookie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 I think the writers are starting to question giving the rookie of the year award to players like Shingo. Hideki Matsui was well-deserving of the rookie of the year award in the AL last year; however, I think the media kind of froze him out because of his years in Japan. It's pretty interesting, because they gave it to Ichiro and Nomo. Also, Jackie Robinson was the rookie of the year and he had many years of experience in the Negro Leagues. I really think he should be in the running if his numbers are there. You should have a shot at the rookie of the year award, if it's your first season in MLB. I agree here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 I have always said this, and just because Shingo is on the Sox it doesn't change my opinion, if you have played professional baseball at a major league level somewhere else in the world, you shouldn't be eligible to be a Rookie of the Year. Makarov won ROY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 I hate it when a guy like Matsui or Ichiro is winning the award... I want to see a young 20 year old kid winning it, not some 35 year old... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 I have always said this, and just because Shingo is on the Sox it doesn't change my opinion, if you have played professional baseball at a major league level somewhere else in the world, you shouldn't be eligible to be a Rookie of the Year. agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 14, 2004 Author Share Posted June 14, 2004 Isn't part of the excitement of ROY, the promise of a great career? How is this guy going to pan out. Give me a Dontrell Willis type. Not some guy at his peak or even on the way down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 Nope, not a rookie,and I agree with what SS2k4 and Texsox said. They were in professinoal leauges in Japan. Also like Texsox said, if a 33 year Darrin Jackson went to Japan, he wouldnt be considered to be up for Rookie of the year. I agree with all three of you. Should he be eligible? Yes, because the rules say so, but they need to change the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 Isn't part of the excitement of ROY, the promise of a great career? How is this guy going to pan out. Give me a Dontrell Willis type. Not some guy at his peak or even on the way down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 I say no way. The reason: because I didn't feel Matsui deserved it last year, because he was no rookie. I cannot cheer for Takatsu to get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 I like how hockey does it. Isn't it in hockey that you have to be 26 or under to be ROtY? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UofIChiSox Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Rookie of the year should be a guy who came in and did well and has a long career ahead of him. Not a 35 year old pitcher who will be around for just a few more years. If a player has played professional baseball at the highest level possible in any country for more than a year or two, they shouldn't be eligible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Takatsu won't get it because of two reasons: 1) He's old 2) He plays for the White Sox Part of Matsui's getting it last year has to be some of the old NYY influence. But really, people coming from what is considered a major league level, just in a different country, should not be eligible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Rookie of the Year is for the best player in his first year in the MLB Its not for the youngest player.. age has nothing to do with the Rookie of the year, its intended for the player who was the best out of the players making their debut season in MAJOR LEAGUE BASBEALL The award has nothing to do with other leagues, so I mean when no one agrees that someone that old should win.... its not against the rules.. I dont think they should be elligible but I mean its not against the rules... but they should be changed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 I never felt the ROY should go to Japanese League veterans. Since the rules are what they are, I will root for Shingo to get it, but I think the rules should be changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 I never felt the ROY should go to Japanese League veterans. Since the rules are what they are, I will root for Shingo to get it, but I think the rules should be changed. Exactly i will be happy for him but it needs to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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