RibbieRubarb Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 It must be something in water in one of the 10,000 lakes... This is from the Minnesota Star Tribune http://online.startribune.com/nuke/twins/ Matt Guerrier The demotion of Seth Greisinger caught me off guard, but I'm excited to see Matt Guerrier pitch. The Twins made an early decision on him in spring training that didn't seem warranted, and he's been Rochester's best pitcher since Day 1. I'm running out of time and patience, so I'll just reprint what we said about him back in February... Once again, Kenny Williams gave away a promising young pitcher. In this case, the pitcher was Matt Guerrier, who the White Sox traded to the Pirates for Damaso Marte, who is now closing for the White Sox. Guerrier went into spring training last year as a candidate to start in the Pirates rotation, but was limited by shoulder problems and sent to AAA. It doesn't look like he ever got healthy because he was placed on the disabled list for rotator cuff tendinitis on July 20th. This offseason, the Twins picked him up off waivers and added him to their 40 man roster. He's 25 years old, with a decent strikeout rate and excellent control. He gives up a few too many home runs, but his hit rate is about average. That ERA looks a little unlucky next to the rest of those stats. And he did all that with an injured shoulder? Talk about your savvy use of a 40 man roster spot. Guerrier looks like a name which you'll want to learn to pronounce this year, whether it be in Fort Myers, Rochester or Minneapolis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUCKREINSDORF Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 It must be something in water in one of the 10,000 lakes... This is from the Minnesota Star Tribune http://online.startribune.com/nuke/twins/ Let those f***ing losers have him!! Marte has been no slouch.He's the closer of the future. Leave it to a Twinkies fan to post a Twinkies comment;all filler,no substance.What a :dips*** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 I'll take Marte over Guerrier any day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 He's had as big an impact on the Twins as Borchard has had on the Sox. It's all potential that has yet to show up in the big leagues. Plus, that's been the Sox farm strategy over the last ten years or so: draft anybody with a live arm and trade 'em for whatever you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 The trade was a good one for the Sox. Matt Guerrier very well may help the Twins this year which could hurt the Sox, but that's the way trades work. You give up something to get something. The Sox got a more immediate return and Guerrier was not one of their top pitching prospects because he doesn't throw very hard. Matt is a great kid and comes from a great family. I wish him a ton of luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 Damn, only damaso marte. And since when is damaso closing. That's one bad article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 Damaso Marte > Matt Guerrier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 Whatever makes them happy, I guess..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 He Forgot to Mention how Guerrier was Hurt 2 straight Years with Pittsburgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 Why do you put so much time into worrying about what one single Twins fan says? It's not like it was posted on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 How was it Kenny gave him away. Didn't the Pirates give him away. We just got a solid reliever for him. What a joke of an article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted June 14, 2004 Author Share Posted June 14, 2004 Why do you put so much time into worrying about what one single Twins fan says? It's not like it was posted on this board. No one was "worried". Can't we post something humorous? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 How was it Kenny gave him away. Didn't the Pirates give him away. We just got a solid reliever for him. What a joke of an article. I think the gist of the guys point was that he liked Guerrier. Fans like to throw jabs at their rivals, and sometimes they aren't accurate. It was nothing but a fan being a fan and nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 Yes, Damaso Marte AND Ruddy Yan for Matt Guerrier was a horrendous trade. Wake me up when Guerrier succeeds at the big league level, not AAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Yes, Damaso Marte AND Ruddy Yan for Matt Guerrier was a horrendous trade. Wake me up when Guerrier succeeds at the big league level, not AAA. Exactly and even if he does, the Sox got a productive major leaguer out of the deal (hell, he's more then productive) and a quality infield prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Yes, Damaso Marte AND Ruddy Yan for Matt Guerrier was a horrendous trade. Wake me up when Guerrier succeeds at the big league level, not AAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Socks Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 As I remember that trade, the Pirates were about to send Marte down or maybe even release him, so I thought that we gave up a pretty good propect for someone who couldn't make the Pirates. Matt had won 18 games the year before in the minors. So the Pirates ended up losing both Marte and Guerrier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Ummm... you know you're not exactly a good prospect if the Pirates give up on you.. the Pirates have been stockpiling good prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinnesotaSoxFan Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Since I live here in Minny, these newspapers dont give much detail about the Sox. This morning I read the sports section, and all they said about the game yesterday was: Carlos Lee extends his hitting streak to 27 games. Frank Thomas hit a homerun and Boby Cox got ejected. Really in depth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Since I live here in Minny, these newspapers dont give much detail about the Sox. This morning I read the sports section, and all they said about the game yesterday was: Carlos Lee extends his hitting streak to 27 games. Frank Thomas hit a homerun and Boby Cox got ejected. Really in depth! Well it's not like our newspapers say diddily about the Twins games. They're stuck in the back pages with all other baseball recaps (minus Sox and Cubs). That's how the Herald is, at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Ummm... you know you're not exactly a good prospect if the Pirates give up on you.. the Pirates have been stockpiling good prospects. Like who? VanBenschoten and Burnett are obvious. List others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Like who? VanBenschoten and Burnett are obvious. List others. Bobby Hill is really the only one I know, you'd figure since they've been selling off so many of their older players, they'd be recieving decent talent, and it's not like that talent is going places. I can't name any because I don't know any, I guess I just assumed so since they've traded so many older players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 As I remember that trade, the Pirates were about to send Marte down or maybe even release him, so I thought that we gave up a pretty good propect for someone who couldn't make the Pirates. Matt had won 18 games the year before in the minors. So the Pirates ended up losing both Marte and Guerrier. I remember being furious when the Sox made the deal. I was wrong though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 I remember being furious when the Sox made the deal. I was wrong though. I'd did seem to be somewhat one sided against us, didn't it. I remember people thinking he thought he was the Pirates GM or something. Glad we were wrong on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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