Presidential Poll: 6/20/2004

[1549]

I guess my biggest beef with Bush is the image of America to the rest of the world, and how negatively he's affected it.

 

I won't be able to vote, but if I could I would vote for Kerry, or any of the other dems if they would have won with the exception of Lieberman. In that case I'd go third party.

We have never had a good image around the world. terror attacks were not something that just started under the Bush administration. Look back as far as 1980, and our citizens were hostages in Iran. South East asia obviously had a fairly large beef with us from the end of WWII all the way up to the present (and rightfully so).

 

I think it is impossible to dabble in foreign affairs and not make enemies.

[Wong & Owens]

It sounds like more and more we should DEFINITELY vote for Bush, before the train wreck that is cultural and moral reletivism destroys our nation.

Agreed.

 

When I think of leaders with a strong moral fiber, I think of Dwight Eisenhower, Abraham Lincoln, and George W. Bush. Yes, nothing says strong moral character like heroically serving your country in wartime, courageously abolishing slavery, or brazenly lying about a DWI conviction.

 

When I think of Americans who stand for the best in American culture, I think of Franklin Roosevelt, The Wright Brothers, and George W. Bush. Because, nothing exudes the spirit of what it means to be an American like rising from a childhood battle with polio to become the leader of the free world, or spending countless hours with prototype after prototype, perservering to the point of becoming the first humans to fly, or spending 42% of your time as a tax-funded public servant on vacation.

 

Yes, get the train back on track. Vote Bush.

[JUGGERNAUT]

Clinton is famous for saying "It's the economy stupid".

Well I don't have to tell you that IT workers make up a pretty big part of that economy.

 

Fact: IDC survey suggests that by 2007, 23% of the IT workload will be overseas. Up from 5% in 2003.

 

Bush: Doesn't favor legislation to protect jobs but does favor establishing a permanent R&D tax credit for businesses who employ Americans in R&D jobs.

 

Kerry: Doesn't favor legislation to protect jobs. Believes that govt should seek American workers over foreign workers whenever possible. Companies should have to notify customers when they ship call centers overseas.

 

I think it's clear which president might actually do something to stem the tide.

[1549]

Clinton is famous for saying "It's the economy stupid".

Well I don't have to tell you that IT workers make up a pretty big part of that economy.

 

Fact: IDC survey suggests that by 2007, 23% of the IT workload will be overseas.  Up from 5% in 2003.

 

Bush: Doesn't favor legislation to protect jobs but does favor establishing a permanent R&D tax credit for businesses who employ Americans in R&D jobs.

 

Kerry: Doesn't favor legislation to protect jobs.  Believes that govt should seek American workers over foreign workers whenever possible.  Companies should have to notify customers when they ship call centers overseas. 

 

I think it's clear which president might actually do something to stem the tide.

I hate the thought of companies moving off of american soil.

 

If only there was a way to keep prices down, and keep companies in america

[mreye]

Kerry, Bush is such a sleazy, mother f***er with no intelligence whatsoever who's led this country into a s*** hole.  The rest of the world hates us, and hates bush.  Thats not condusive to being safe.  Bush has actually increased world-wide terrorism with this f***ing war.  And thats a good thing?  What has Bush done to help average Americans?  Nothing, he's putting the tax burden on the middle class and making the rich pay less.  Not fair.  He has no morals.  End of story.  Vote Kerry/Edwards 04!

Ho hum!

 

That's how I want to decide who I vote for: Who does the rest of the world like the best?

[LowerCaseRepublican]

MrEye, we do need the world's support if we are to "eradicate terrorism" (which is already an insane proposition -- "Alright, we got them. Everybody loves us again." It's like having a war on jealousy)

 

When the rest of the world hates Bush, it stunts a broad coalition to deal with the problems we face and makes countries less than apt to help us out. Hence, world opinion of our leader and government is pretty damn important.

[israel4ever]

IMO...if you are a rich, white male, who couldn't care less about civil rights, womens' rights, the poor, the middle class, personal freedoms, minorities, social security, medicare, etc., then, by all means, vote for Bush.

 

On the other hand....

[kapkomet]

I certianly am not rich, but a vote for Kerry at this point scares me a lot more then Bush, and that's saying something, because I think Bush's radicalism is damn scary.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

MrEye, we do need the world's support if we are to "eradicate terrorism" (which is already an insane proposition -- "Alright, we got them. Everybody loves us again." It's like having a war on jealousy)

 

When the rest of the world hates Bush, it stunts a broad coalition to deal with the problems we face and makes countries less than apt to help us out.  Hence, world opinion of our leader and government is pretty damn important.

I agree we do need support of other nations if we're going to eliminate terrorism but what good is that support if the only way to get it is to do nothing in the first place? Everybody wanted to be our pal and cry with us after 9-11 but as soon as we started doing something about it countries like France started acting like a bunch of scared little b****es & second guessing every thing we did. Whatever. If they wont help out then we'll get the job done with what we have.

[Rex Kickass]

France fought with us in Afghanistan. They're still there.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

Wino has it right. Most countries like Spain actually wanna take the battle to where the terrorists actually are (i.e. Afghanistan) rather than create a whole new hornet's nest for the creation of more terrorists for no reason except oil control. (Read PNAC's 1997 statement of goals and how it declares we need to topple Iraq for control of their oil fields. Then read the membership of PNAC and you'll see that it falls conveniently with a lot of members of the current administration.) Most countries are not as stupid as the American public.

[IlliniBob72]

Kerry, Bush is such a sleazy, mother f***er with no intelligence whatsoever who's led this country into a s*** hole.  The rest of the world hates us, and hates bush.  Thats not condusive to being safe.  Bush has actually increased world-wide terrorism with this f***ing war.  And thats a good thing?  What has Bush done to help average Americans?  Nothing, he's putting the tax burden on the middle class and making the rich pay less.  Not fair.  He has no morals.  End of story.  Vote Kerry/Edwards 04!

And the rest of the world loved America before 9/11? No. And even if it did, what did that get us? 3000 dead citizens.

 

Bush has actually increased world-wide terrorism with this f***ing war.  And thats a good thing? 

 

One could also say that WW II grew more violent after we got into after Pearl Harbor. Should we have stayed out of it?

 

What has Bush done to help average Americans?  Nothing, he's putting the tax burden on the middle class and making the rich pay less.  Not fair.

 

I'm paying less taxes than before and I'm squarely middle class. So, how do you figure? Besides, I'm certain that the top 20% of the population, wealth wise, is still paying like 80% of the taxes, so don't worry your little head about that.

 

He has no morals.

 

Really? s***, compared to our last Prez, he's a regular saint.

[IlliniBob72]

MrEye, we do need the world's support if we are to "eradicate terrorism" (which is already an insane proposition -- "Alright, we got them. Everybody loves us again." It's like having a war on jealousy)

 

When the rest of the world hates Bush, it stunts a broad coalition to deal with the problems we face and makes countries less than apt to help us out.  Hence, world opinion of our leader and government is pretty damn important.

Do you honestly think that foreing nations will help the U.S. if they like our leader better? Bulls***. They will help the United States when it is in their best interests, pure and simple. If they act otherwise, they are doing their country a disservice.

 

Besides, from most reports, Bush is very likable in person. Even Clinton has said that after meeting Bush he just liked the man.

 

One question I'd like answered is this. If, as reports are true, Bush received information from our intelligence and foreign intelligence like the Russians, that Saddam and Iraq were planning attacks against the U.S., what on earth should Bush have done??? Had he not followed the course he did and an attack took place, and then info came out that Putin told Bush it would happen, holy s***!!! Lefties like Moore would have a f***ing stroke! When does it become necessary to go to war? When is a threat imminent? Hell, if Bush ahd taken out bin Laden before 9/11, people would have been outraged that it was unnecessary.

[Rex Kickass]

Dude. This was a vague, unspecified threat... and its authenticity has not been verified. That's like arresting the city of Chicago because you hear one dude might be thinking about making an attack.

[IlliniBob72]

Dude. This was a vague, unspecified threat... and its authenticity has not been verified. That's like arresting the city of Chicago because you hear one dude might be thinking about making an attack.

And the threat in that memo that the 9/11 Commission made such political hay about was specific? All that said was that there were like 75 investigations ongoing about Al Qaeda's desires to attack in the U.S., but that didn't stop anyone from saying that Bush ignored the threat and is responsible for 3000 deaths. So, which is it?

 

That's like arresting the city of Chicago because you hear one dude might be thinking about making an attack.

 

Oh my God, are you serious??? So if France was told in 1939 that Hitler was planning to attack, they should have done nothing? FDR is told that Hirohito is planning an attack, and it's just one dude planning an attack? I'm sorry, but that's funny. How many "dudes" does it take for it to be a threat to respond to?

[Chisoxfn]

Same as before, Bush.

 

I love that jersey Steve has in his sig too. I also love the 83 Fisk jersey. One day I'm gonna get one. What great player wore the one Marte has?

[sox4lifeinPA]

Agreed.

 

When I think of leaders with a strong moral fiber, I think of Dwight Eisenhower, Abraham Lincoln, and George W. Bush.  Yes, nothing says strong moral character like heroically serving your country in wartime, courageously abolishing slavery, or brazenly lying about a DWI conviction.

 

When I think of Americans who stand for the best in American culture, I think of Franklin Roosevelt, The Wright Brothers, and George W. Bush.  Because, nothing exudes the spirit of what it means to be an American like rising from a childhood battle with polio to become the leader of the free world, or spending countless hours with prototype after prototype, perservering to the point of becoming the first humans to fly, or spending 42% of your time as a tax-funded public servant on vacation.

 

Yes, get the train back on track.  Vote Bush.

*sigh*

 

sadly, you missed the whole point of my post being about SUPREME COURT APPOINTEES...Bush is a politician like every other scumbag in D.C.... You're kidding yourself if you think John Heinz-Kerry isn't in bed with just as many special interests. Just wait, Kerry gets elected and there will be just as many accusations and scandals as GWB, Clinton, or Reagan.

 

My point was that if I had to choose a Bush appointee who most likely will have stricter interpretation and conservative approach to Law versus a Kerry nomination who'll cement Roe V. Wade, eliminate gun ownership, and blow the door wide open for gay marriages...

 

who the hell would you vote for??

 

 

p.s. your use of green was pedestrian at best... better luck next time.

[sox4lifeinPA]

by the way, my last post was brought to you by "People who hated english class for Bush/Cheney '04"

 

 

 

get a spellchecker, alex... yikes

[cwsox]

Really? s***, compared to our last Prez, he's a regular saint.

you couldn't have posted a bigger line of bulls*** if you tried

 

and speaking of immorality, it appears that Bush and Cheney have reached a new low even for them which is saying a lot -

 

in their latest campaign ad called John Kerry and faces of the Democratic party, they include a picture of Hitler

 

there is nothing too low for the immoral scum that are Bush and Cheney and Rove and their campaign team

[kapkomet]

Where is this running? Is this hearsay or did you see it for yourself?

[Confederate_48]

I saw it on the Bush website

[kapkomet]

you couldn't have posted a bigger line of bulls*** if you tried

 

and speaking of immorality, it  appears that Bush and Cheney have reached a new low even for them which is saying a lot -

 

in their latest campaign ad called John Kerry and faces of the Democratic party, they include a picture of Hitler

 

there is nothing too low for the immoral scum that are Bush and Cheney and Rove and their campaign team

WHAT A JOKE!

 

People... go watch this for yourself...

 

www.georgewbush.com

 

The ad was SIMPLY REPRODUCING DEMOCRATIC ADS AGAINST BUSH.

 

And you have the audacity to say that BUSH is at fault? Who the hell started it? It is simply replaying the ads that the Democratic party has used against him, and at the end he says that optimism and not negativity is what we need.

 

Now, cw, you come on here and slant your post to make like this is something that Bush did on his own. The Dems did it first! I love your version of half-truths. Absolutely sickening.

 

Your post, and dammit, you are smart enough to know this, was intending to say that Bush has an ad that has Hitler and Kerry in it at the same time... but did you really say what the ad was? That's misleading as hell and you did it on purpose. That's the stuff that makes me sick because your side can NEVER admit when they are wrong.

 

I candidly wish that I didn't have to vote for Bush, but posts like yours and your views and others like you tell me how delusional liberal thinking has become.

[cwsox]

WHAT A JOKE!

 

People... go watch this for yourself...

 

www.georgewbush.com

 

The ad was SIMPLY REPRODUCING DEMOCRATIC ADS AGAINST BUSH.

 

And you have the audacity to say that BUSH is at fault?  Who the hell started it?  It is simply replaying the ads that the Democratic party has used against him, and at the end he says that optimism and not negativity is what we need.

 

Now, cw, you come on here and slant your post to make like this is something that Bush did on his own.  The Dems did it first!  I love your version of half-truths.  Absolutely sickening. 

 

Your post, and dammit, you are smart enough to know this, was intending to say that Bush has an ad that has Hitler and Kerry in it at the same time... but did you really say what the ad was?  That's misleading as hell and you did it on purpose.  That's the stuff that makes me sick because your side can NEVER admit when they are wrong.

 

I candidly wish that I didn't have to vote for Bush, but posts like yours and your views and others like you tell me how delusional liberal thinking has become.

 

 

my reading of the situations is that you are wrong about the Bush ad

 

and the rest of your post is .. well,

 

that is why I like you a lot but cannot take you seriously in the political sphere; you wish not to vote for Bush but you blame others, me, for how you vote. You vote for who you want. It is your act. Take responsibility for it. I cannot recall one thing that ever gave any hint that you would do otherwise so don't cast responsibility on others for what you were planning to do all along. By the way, my father will vote for Bush. A lot of good people will. It is good people vote.

 

we have watched the CIA commission report the truth and Bush and Cheney repeat their tired lies which led to war rather than admit the truth - same as with African nuclear rods when lies were responded with, not with confession, but the outing of a CIA operative contrary to law

 

Cheney says "f***" to a US Senator and doesn't have the balls to stand by his comment but coward that he always has been says at most he maybe might of could of said it, trying to weasel out of what he definitely said

 

f*** and the weasel veep

 

I have yet to see you criticise one thing at all that is Republican- ever. For a year prior to the primary seasion I posted on who my choices were and why Kerry was not my first choice, and your accusations against "liberals" is just political spinning-

 

I love you buddy but your doctrinairre political attacks are just too repitiotious for me (and you may well feel the same about me, and what we each feel is valid as our own feelings so no harm and no foul) and it is my personal perception/opinion that what you most charge others with is what should be pointed at who you plan to vote for

 

you don't want to listen to me on politics fine but I find some word choices being tossed around to be very interesting

 

and rather than engage in the personal attacks that you have done in your post,

 

holding friendship more valued than cyber political wars,

 

God be with you and have a pleasant weekend and may the Sox take this weekend series

[IlliniBob72]

my reading of the situations is that you are wrong about the Bush ad

 

and the rest of your post is .. well,

 

that is why I like you a lot but cannot take you seriously in the political sphere; you wish not to vote for Bush but you blame others, me, for how you vote.  You vote for who you want.  It is your act.  Take responsibility for it.  I cannot recall one thing that ever gave any hint that you would do otherwise so don't cast responsibility on others for what you were planning to do all along.  By the way, my father will vote for Bush.  A lot of good people will. It is good people vote.

 

we have watched the CIA commission report the truth and Bush and Cheney repeat their tired lies which led to war rather than admit the truth - same as with African nuclear rods when lies were responded with, not with confession, but the outing of a CIA operative contrary to law

 

Cheney says "f***" to a US Senator and doesn't have the balls to stand by his comment but coward that he always has been says at most he maybe might of could of said it, trying to weasel out of what he definitely said

 

f*** and the weasel veep

 

I have yet to see you criticise one thing at all that is Republican- ever. For a year prior to the primary seasion I posted on who my choices were and why Kerry was not my first choice, and your accusations against "liberals" is just political spinning-

 

I love you buddy but your doctrinairre political attacks are just too repitiotious for me (and you may well feel the same about me, and what we each feel is valid as our own feelings so no harm and no foul) and it is my personal perception/opinion that what you most charge others with is what should be pointed at who you plan to vote for

 

you don't want to listen to me on politics fine but I find some word choices being tossed around to be very interesting

 

and rather than engage in the personal attacks that you have done in your post,

 

holding friendship more valued than cyber political wars,

 

God be with you and have a pleasant weekend and may the Sox take this weekend series

That's a nice little diatribe, but is he wrong when he says that Hitler is in the ad because it is showing a Kerry ad using the image? If so, how? Saying something is wrong doesn't make it so. Saying something I said is bulls*** doesn't make it so. I said that Bush is much less immoral than Clinton, who had had a 12 year affair with Flowers, sexually assaulted women, according to Kathleen Wiley and Juanita Broaddrick and Paula Jones, and was fellated in the Oval Office by an intern. Then he lied both on the stand and directly to the American public, saying that the Lewinsky affair never happened. And I'm not even getting into shady business dealings and blackmail and such, or the missing FBI files that turned up on Hillary's desk, or drug use or prostitution or draft dodging, all of which has been alleged. None of this is polical immorality, but personal immorality.

 

Historian Richard Dunn ranks Clinton as America's all-time most immoral President. And you point to Cheney saying "f***" and an ad that seems to be misinterpreted by you as evidence that the idea that Bush is less immoral than Clinton is pure bulls***?

[kapkomet]

my reading of the situations is that you are wrong about the Bush ad

 

and the rest of your post is .. well,

 

that is why I like you a lot but cannot take you seriously in the political sphere; you wish not to vote for Bush but you blame others, me, for how you vote.  You vote for who you want.  It is your act.  Take responsibility for it.  I cannot recall one thing that ever gave any hint that you would do otherwise so don't cast responsibility on others for what you were planning to do all along.  By the way, my father will vote for Bush.  A lot of good people will. It is good people vote.

 

we have watched the CIA commission report the truth and Bush and Cheney repeat their tired lies which led to war rather than admit the truth - same as with African nuclear rods when lies were responded with, not with confession, but the outing of a CIA operative contrary to law

 

Cheney says "f***" to a US Senator and doesn't have the balls to stand by his comment but coward that he always has been says at most he maybe might of could of said it, trying to weasel out of what he definitely said

 

f*** and the weasel veep

 

I have yet to see you criticise one thing at all that is Republican- ever. For a year prior to the primary seasion I posted on who my choices were and why Kerry was not my first choice, and your accusations against "liberals" is just political spinning-

 

I love you buddy but your doctrinairre political attacks are just too repitiotious for me (and you may well feel the same about me, and what we each feel is valid as our own feelings so no harm and no foul) and it is my personal perception/opinion that what you most charge others with is what should be pointed at who you plan to vote for

 

you don't want to listen to me on politics fine but I find some word choices being tossed around to be very interesting

 

and rather than engage in the personal attacks that you have done in your post,

 

holding friendship more valued than cyber political wars,

 

God be with you and have a pleasant weekend and may the Sox take this weekend series

I don't blame you for how I vote, or choose to vote. I'm not that shallow. But to clarify, I look at your idealogy for why I vote the way I do. It's misleading as hell to sit there and say that the Hitler ad that Bush did was directed as an oroginal comparison against John Kerry, when it is simply a REPRODUCTION OF A DEMOCRATIC AD (moveon.org) to state that we don't need this sort of BS out there.

 

Now... if it were me, I wouldn't have done this ad. I think it's tasteless to claim to be above the fray and use the garbage against Bush and use that same thing for his political gain. Tasteless. Again. Read it again. It's tasteless. But the Dems came up with the ad in the first place. No one is stupid enough in the White House staff, no not even Bush , to make that comparision FIRST.

 

And while I'm at it, you haven't been reading closely enough. I criticize Bush a lot. Some of his policies are flat out BS. The medicare bill is pathetic. Some of the loopholes in the tax law are ludicrous and frankly hypocritical to the platform he ran on in 2000. I know about that stuff, it's my profession.

 

I somewhat question Iraq, but given the choice of drawing those people here vs. them all in that arena, I choose there, even though there's a lot of innocent people being damaged as a result. But to me, the good outweighs the bad of being over there, so I support what's been done enough to stay the course.

 

But cw, I never, ever, see you criticize a Democratic national figure. It's called blind support, IMO. Just once, I would like to see what you would change about Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Charlie Rangel, etc. etc. etc. etc. Do you see my point?

 

And yea, we all better start prayin' for the Sox... they're gonna need it this weekend.