DBAHO Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 From the L.A Daily News, The Dodgers are one of the supposed bidders for Seattle pitcher Freddy Garcia, but so are the White Sox. And they're rumored to be willing to part with Joe Borchard (Camarillo High), he of the largest draft bonus ever received ($5.3 million) who's still hackin' at Triple-A Charlotte (N.C.), as part of the package. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 From the L.A Daily News, The Dodgers are one of the supposed bidders for Seattle pitcher Freddy Garcia, but so are the White Sox. And they're rumored to be willing to part with Joe Borchard (Camarillo High), he of the largest draft bonus ever received ($5.3 million) who's still hackin' at Triple-A Charlotte (N.C.), as part of the package. ... Pull the trigger KW, just do it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Pull the trigger KW, just do it!!! agreed. Borchard is a good prospect, but I'd rather have Garcia NOW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 just do it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Joe Borchard should not be traded. KW says he won't be traded. Garcia is basically a rent-a-player and you don't trade away a great prospect for someone you have on board for just a few months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Joe Borchard should not be traded. KW says he won't be traded. Garcia is basically a rent-a-player and you don't trade away a great prospect for someone you have on board for just a few months. Borchard is far from being a great prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Borchard is far from being a great prospect. isnt it kind of baseball knowledge that if a player (especially one like Joe) does not reach the majors on a regular bases by the age of 25 or 26, they wont do much of anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Borchard is a prospect, not a great prospect. This is his third year at AAA and he still strikes out too much. He's basically had one good month. He's a bit injury prone. He is a good guy who plays with intensity and could still put it together. But his high strikeout totals have been a constant throughout his career and he's definitely getting old to be a prospect. If we have a chance to get Garcia for Borchard and one other minor leaguer I do it. Besides, we have Jeremy Reed, Brian Anderson, Ryan Sweeney, Thomas Brice and several other potential outfielders. Nothing against Joe, but Garcia would fix a major pitching dilemma. And you might be able to sign him because of his relationship with Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 isnt it kind of baseball knowledge that if a player (especially one like Joe) does not reach the majors on a regular bases by the age of 25 or 26, they wont do much of anything? It is? How many left handed power hitters are in our organization? I don't think you can give up on this guy so easily especially when we don't have another lefty power hitter. I think we can all agree that Phil Nevin is pretty damn good and he didn't even begin to reach his potentil in MLs until he was 29, after 3 organizations had given up on him. I woud rather part with Jeremy Reed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 It is? How many left handed power hitters are in our organization? I don't think you can give up on this guy so easily especially when we don't have another lefty power hitter. I think we can all agree that Phil Nevin is pretty damn good and he didn't even begin to reach his potentil in MLs until he was 29, after 3 organizations had given up on him. I woud rather part with Jeremy Reed. I thought Borchard was righty and Reed was lefty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmookie Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 HE SHOULD DO IT! WE HAVE TOO MAY OUTFIEDERS IN THE MINORS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndgt10 Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 I believe Borchard is a switch hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 isnt it kind of baseball knowledge that if a player (especially one like Joe) does not reach the majors on a regular bases by the age of 25 or 26, they wont do much of anything? As a general rule, the older a prospect gets, the less likely he will make a major impact in the Majors. There are exceptions, but Borchard still has time to be a nice big league player, perhaps just not one of HOF caliber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 As a general rule, the older a prospect gets, the less likely he will make a major impact in the Majors. There are exceptions, but Borchard still has time to be a nice big league player, perhaps just not one of HOF caliber. So what's more valuable? Having a player who could POTENTIALLY be a "nice big league player" or having Garcia for at least 2/3 of a year and maybe longer if we can resign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 DO IT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 So what's more valuable? Having a player who could POTENTIALLY be a "nice big league player" or having Garcia for at least 2/3 of a year and maybe longer if we can resign him. Depends on if you win with that pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 ah yes, having your cake and eating it too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 I think we can all agree that Phil Nevin is pretty damn good and he didn't even begin to reach his potentil in MLs until he was 29, after 3 organizations had given up on him. Another exception, like Nevin, is Scott Podsednik for the Brewers. This guy didn't do anything until last year when he was 27. He's not the best player in the world, but he's a pretty solid player and will probably be a fixture in CF for the Brewers for many years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Another exception, like Nevin, is Scott Podsednik for the Brewers. This guy didn't do anything until last year when he was 27. He's not the best player in the world, but he's a pretty solid player. Podsednik is a stud if you ask me. He's going to steal 60-70 this year and hit for a good avg and score a lot of runs. He will probably make the all-stars, but I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 I have a feeling Kw is the type of guy that isnt going to eat his own crow. He has said to the media countless time that "Joe Borchard is untouchable" I just dont see a guy like KW breaking his OWN word. Kenny already, IMO, DID eat his own crow by trading Billy Koch for a minor leaguer. Kenny isn't a dumbass. He knows what we need, and he'll go out and get it, soon, at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 He also already broke his word by having Rauch start again after the comments he said when Rauch walked off unprofessionally. Anything is possible with KW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 He also already broke his word by having Rauch start again after the comments he said when Rauch walked off unprofessionally. Anything is possible with KW. KW is about winning. I was really upset about Rauch did as well, but if they feel he gives us the best chance of winning, then so be it. Ego has no place on this team. Get the job done no matter what it takes. I'm not surprised, but it's good to see KW is willing to do whatever it takes. He'll make a move as soon as a reasonable opportunity arises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Exactly. So even if he breaks his word (like I'm sure he would about trading Borchard) He will find that starter and any other problems we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Podsednik is a stud if you ask me. He's going to steal 60-70 this year and hit for a good avg and score a lot of runs. He will probably make the all-stars, but I could be wrong. The thing about Podsednik is that he will steal 60+ bases with less than 10 caught stealing - which is better than, say, Alex Sanchez stealing 50 and getting caught 25 times. Another huge intangible is that Podsedink drives pitches nuts. I saw a Brew Crew game last year where he drew 10 or 12 pick off throws in one inning - in addition to the physical energy expended by the pitcher, it also distrupts his rhythm and negatively affects the quality of the pitches since most pitchers don't do as well out of the stretch. As far as giving up on the prospects too early......Check out Melvyn Mora's numbers before and after turning 30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 one key difference with Borchard == the Whiffs. Until he can cut bcak on that, he's not going to be a very productive player. he doesn't get on base enough. He's a good, but not GREAT outfielder. Doesn't steal many bases. Power is his primary plus. And the whiffs have got to be reduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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