sox-r-us Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Clearly last year was the best he will ever pitch. I still like him but he has not been the same pitcher this year (league figured out his cutter? Or he has some small injury? Or he was just plain overachieving last year?) His current stats are respectable: GS 15 CG 2 (vs 1 last year.....so he is better here this year) ERA 4.18 (vs 2.90 last year.....clearly a drop off until now) BAA 0.260 WHIP 1.30 W-L 7-3 (vs 21-9 last year.....which is on the same track as last year) HR 16 (vs 17 all of last year....which means he is on track for 3 X worse this year) H 103 (vs 196 all of last year.....on track for being 275 for this year) But he is a career 97-85, 4.55 ERA pitcher (for 9 years now) How much do we pay him to retain him next year? Or do we go after a Matt Clement instead? Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Ide like to go after Matt Clement rather then keep E Lo around He isnt the same as last year and wont be that again... while he is still doing a good job, I would rather have Clement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted June 23, 2004 Author Share Posted June 23, 2004 I would love to get both Clement and Elo Then we would have 5 legit starters in Buerhle, Elo, Clement, Garland, Scho next year We better not go into next year with no #5 starter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quade36 Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 I'd rather have Diaz or Cotts starting instead of Shoe next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 I don’t know. You can only talk once the year is over. I am pretty sure Esteban will get us more than 14 wins. Probably not reach 21 again, but get 18. He’s walked away with allot of No Decisions. And if you really think about it (with Koch blowing one of his game and walking with a ND yesterday) he’d probably be 9-3 right now. It all depends on how he helps out his team. So far so good. I believe his salary for this year is $4,000,000? What more can the Sox give him to stick around for next year? In my opinion, I’d like to see him back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 yeah but if we can let him go to get Clement I would rather see that happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 I'd rather see him go and the Sox make a run at Mulder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 It depends on what he is asking. If he is asking for say, Carl Pavano money, I say we go after Pavano. If he wants to be paid like Mulder, then we should go after him! He has been valuable to the team this year and last and he at least seems to pitch well enough to keep us in games. Like somebody said, he should be at least 9-3 this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 yeah but if we can let him go to get Clement I would rather see that happen What makes you think Clement wants to leave the Cubs? I see him sticking around for some time if they make it to the playoffs this year. Prior may be the only one trying free agency or something, but Wood, Clement and Zambrano are staying with the Cubs. I don’t know about Maddux wanting to stay since he’s been with allot of different teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted June 23, 2004 Author Share Posted June 23, 2004 I'd rather have Diaz or Cotts starting instead of Shoe next year. I'd rather have Diaz or Cotts starting instead of Shoe next year. I'd rather have Diaz or Cotts starting instead of Shoe next year. :puke :puke :puke :headshake :headshake :headshake :banghead :banghead :banghead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Prior may be the only one trying free agency or something, but Wood, Clement and Zambrano are staying with the Cubs. I don’t know about Maddux wanting to stay since he’s been with allot of different teams. He's been with 2 teams in 3 stints (Cubs, Braves, Cubs) IIRC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted June 23, 2004 Author Share Posted June 23, 2004 What makes you think Clement wants to leave the Cubs? I see him sticking around for some time if they make it to the playoffs this year. Prior may be the only one trying free agency or something, but Wood, Clement and Zambrano are staying with the Cubs. I don’t know about Maddux wanting to stay since he’s been with allot of different teams. The Cubs are going to pick up Ryan Dempster's $2M option and get him as the 5th starter next year....they will let Clement walk...they cannot afford him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 What makes you think Clement wants to leave the Cubs? I see him sticking around for some time if they make it to the playoffs this year. Prior may be the only one trying free agency or something, but Wood, Clement and Zambrano are staying with the Cubs. I don’t know about Maddux wanting to stay since he’s been with allot of different teams. THe Cubs already said that Celemnt was going to be the odd man out and that his return next year was not likely Next time try to use the "Force" to save yourself from those kinda comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 $6-7mil over 3 years is what I would offer Loaiza. Half the price of Colon and probably provide us the same type of innings and consistency. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 The Cubs are going to pick up Ryan Dempster's $2M option and get him as the 5th starter next year....they will let Clement walk...they cannot afford him Thank you sox r us... thats what I was sayin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 He's been with 2 teams in 3 stints (Cubs, Braves, Cubs) IIRC If what you're saying is true... I'll take that one sentence back Still, Maddux should retire once he gets his 300th win and the season is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Dream scenario would be: Mulder, Loaiza, Buerhle, Pavano, Garland 2 lefties, 3 solid righties who can go deep and keep you in games, and finally 1 ace who you can put out there and expect to hold the team down regardless of what you do. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Whether or not anyone thinks Esteban can win 21 games in 2004 is not the issue we should be worried in my opinion. We can't seem to find a legit #5 person and the other pitchers are struggling too. E Loiaza is a quality arm no doubt and we should sign him for an extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Dream scenario would be: Mulder, Loaiza, Buerhle, Pavano, Garland 2 lefties, 3 solid righties who can go deep and keep you in games, and finally 1 ace who you can put out there and expect to hold the team down regardless of what you do. SB jesus that'd be the greatest rotation in baseball! (close) I'd take that!! seriously tho i think the sox should go after Pavano at the least. Mulder... eh i'd take him too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted June 23, 2004 Author Share Posted June 23, 2004 Here is the article from the Trib which mentions the Cubs may let Clement walk...they may be wrong, but it makes sense ------------------- The two main players who could depart are Matt Clement and Moises Alou. The Cubs are unlikely to pick up the $11.5 million option on Alou, despite his strong showing in '04, taking the $2 million buyout instead. They still could re-sign Alou if he agrees to a major salary cut. Clement stands to receive a sizeable multi-year offer from another team. He may have to take less to stay, however, because the Cubs are likely to pick up Ryan Dempster's $2 million option and the other four starters already are set to return. ------------------------------ http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 jesus that'd be the greatest rotation in baseball! (close) I'd take that!! seriously tho i think the sox should go after Pavano at the least. Mulder... eh i'd take him too That would be pretty damn sweet, but the best i can see us getting is pavano and i don't even see us getting him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 No to Clement... IMO in the near future he is going to injure himself. He throws so many friggin breaking balls. Maybe I'm wrong and maybe he has a rubber arm, but I don't like the chances... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 I say sign Elo to a 2 year deal worth about 7 Mil. If he wants more then that well, bye bye! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Mulder, Loaiza, Buerhle, Pavano, Garland I doubt Mulder would want to come to his favorite team just because he said he'll have to buy his whole family relatives tickets to alot of games.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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