Gene Honda Civic Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 release Jackson, bring up Grilli send down Cotts, bring up Wunsch We need to put a big sign on the top of the page... Kelly Wunch is not going to pitch for the white sox again this season. He was hurt last year. Hurt early this year. Has never regained his velocity. Called up. Sent back down. Quoted as saying he was throwing "junk". Taken off the 40- man roster. Put on the DL at AAA.. Read the writing on the wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 Everyone thinks Cleveland's bullpen is the worst in the majors. I disagree. Aside from Shingo and Marte, the bullpen has been terrible. Politte and Jackson are just awful. Adkins cannot be put into a pressure situation. And Cotts cannot continue to be used like he is(if he is going to be used as a long reliever, stick with him there...if not, use him just to get an out or two...he really has not figured out how to "pitch" yet it seems and he is constantly making mistakes). When 2/3rds of your bullpen is s***, you are in trouble. We need another reliever or two badly. I almost hate to say this, but, had he not been making $6 mill to blow saves left and right for us, I would not mind seeing Koch out there right now. I almost miss Koch("almost" is the key word there ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 Adkins and Jackson do have to go down. I dunno who to call up, but i say why not give Baj a shot. Right now Jackson allows at least one run every time. Might even want to give Santiago a shot. He was pretty decent last year That pitch to Brousard was 88 mph, knee high, middle-in. Billy Goat couldn't throw a pitch that bad if he tried. But to be fair, Buehle stunk. He wasn't bad - he was TERRIBLE. It would be unfair to ask Gagne to save the day with bases loaded and no outs, let alone Action Jackson. Just a terrible, terrible loss. If this game was won, then Rauch wouldn't have to come up with a do-or-die win tomorrow. We can't head into Cubs series 3 games over .500. Why wasn't Garcia in the Sox uniform after Rauch blew the game against Angels and why was Koch closing - after he almost imploded in Baltimore? Makes no f***ing sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 Just a terrible, terrible loss. If this game was won, then Rauch wouldn't have to come up with a do-or-die win tomorrow. We can't head into Cubs series 3 games over .500. As if Rauch didn't have pressure enough. The last 4 5th starters have made 1 start, 2 tops(one of whom was Rauch), and then got pulled from the rotation after a s***ty outing. He f***s up, and he could very well be a scapegoat, when really he shouldn't, considering he is starting his 8th career game. Let's all hope that, just for 1 day, Jon Rauch returns to 2000 form, Olympic form, and just shuts down Cleveland, and the offense scores enough runs to win. We need it. Up to this point, it really could be the biggest game of the year...almost, but not quite, make or break; that being, it will either give this team confidence and momentum heading into the Cubs series, where they then have a shot to take atleast a game, or maybe even two, against a very hot Cubs team. Either that or they will lose tomorrow(possibly even lose badly), they will lose all confidence, all momentum, and the Cubs rotation will just shut them down, sweep them easily, and we are essentially done. We are heading into not necessarily the toughest part of our schedule here, but, up to this point, the biggest part of our schedule here, and this next game, June 24th, will be huge in how the season goes on. Why wasn't Garcia in the Sox uniform after Rauch blew the game against Angels and why was Koch closing - after he almost imploded in Baltimore? Makes no f***ing sense. I think you answered your own question with that last sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 I don't know why in hell you would send down Adkins. His ERA has dropped 58 points since June 2 and has the 2nd best ERA on the team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 Mike Jackson is as bad as White Trash White. Disgusting. :puke Can we just pretend that everything that's happened since the Angels series is just a bad acid trip or something? Truly horrible stuff. Speaking of White....He and Koch were kept in prominent roles more than a month past their expiration dates because Sox weren't about to spend anything over the budget. It ended up costing the team at least 4 wins - and pretty much the division in retrospect. Who will bury the Sox the most this season, Politte, Cotts or Jackson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 Mike Jackson is slider-happy, and that's all he throws. The hitters have figured out the relic's strategy - hitters just wait for a slider in their wheelhouse and then hammer it somewhere. Jackson isn't fooling anyone (except for the Sox, that is). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 Jackson needs to go. Yesterday we all knew that at least one run was going to score when the bases were loaded since there were no outs. Mike just goes up there and the very first pitch he throws ends up in the seats. Our pitching has been nothing but horrifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 Then second place is ours ??? What are you talking about. It was a joke. Since we finish 2nd every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 There is a reason he was out of baseball last season. Get a clue KW, call up Man Hands, Santiago or make a deal and get rid of this joker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 There is a reason he was out of baseball last season. Get a clue KW, call up Man Hands, Santiago or make a deal and get rid of this joker. Jackson has like a 10 ERA since the decent April start. Urbina should be Politte's replacement, but Jackson? I agree - give Bajenaru a shot. If he fails, so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 Jackson has like a 10 ERA since the decent April start. Urbina should be Politte's replacement, but Jackson? I agree - give Bajenaru a shot. If he fails, so be it. Will the Tigers trade within the division? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 Well i don't think it's one of those trades where "Urbina will burn us for years to come" ala Beltran style Jackson is a very, very, very poor man's Tom Gordon. He can't do it in the majors, i'm willing to try anyone in the system while it's still "early". If someone works, keep him around. Nothing works, then KW knows he HAS to get a quality bullpen arm for down the stretch, maybe two. We need pen help at this point bad, i only trust 2 guys down there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 Well i don't think it's one of those trades where "Urbina will burn us for years to come" ala Beltran style Jackson is a very, very, very poor man's Tom Gordon. He can't do it in the majors, i'm willing to try anyone in the system while it's still "early". If someone works, keep him around. Nothing works, then KW knows he HAS to get a quality bullpen arm for down the stretch, maybe two. We need pen help at this point bad, i only trust 2 guys down there. You're not the only one. I have said before that, at the very, very, very, very least, you have to get one more quality reliever, because if we can get to the playoffs with those 3, we then have Garland/Scho in the pen too, and we have 4 quality arms down there. We need two arms though. There has to be 6 good pitchers in that pen, each excelling in their own roles. That's not even close to happening right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 Mike Jackson needs to go. Maybe we can sign Michael Jackson, he knows how to play with balls I mean ummm............ baseballs. yea! baseballs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 Man Hands That guy better be up here by the time August rolls around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 You're not the only one. I have said before that, at the very, very, very, very least, you have to get one more quality reliever, because if we can get to the playoffs with those 3, we then have Garland/Scho in the pen too, and we have 4 quality arms down there. We need two arms though. There has to be 6 good pitchers in that pen, each excelling in their own roles. That's not even close to happening right now. Wite, Sox can't afford to have 6 'quality' arms in the pen - even Yankees only have 2-3 good relievers. Let's face it, Bajenaru, Cotts and Politte will have to stay, which is ok if you don't pitch them in close games. But a playoff team better have The Big 3. We got Shingo and Marte - they'll never be confused with Mota/Gagne or Rivera/Gordon, but they are more than tolerable. I envision Urbina completing the Trio - his primary dury would be to retire RH's since LH are hammering him pretty bad. Since the #1 pitcher is BY FAR our biggest priority right now, I am willing to wait on Urbina until after the ASB. Once Detroit is well out of it, he could easily be had for nothing since he ain't exactly lighting it up right now. I think he'll be just little more intense playing for Ozzie, on a playoff team - he got much better after going from Texas to Florida last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 Wite, Sox can't afford to have 6 'quality' arms in the pen - even Yankees only have 2-3 good relievers. Let's face it, Bajenaru, Cotts and Politte will have to stay, which is ok if you don't pitch them in close games. But a playoff team better have The Big 3. We got Shingo and Marte - they'll never be confused with Mota/Gagne or Rivera/Gordon, but they are more than tolerable. I envision Urbina completing the Trio - his primary dury would be to retire RH's since LH are hammering him pretty bad. Since the #1 pitcher is BY FAR our biggest priority right now, I am willing to wait on Urbina until after the ASB. Once Detroit is well out of it, he could easily be had for nothing since he ain't exactly lighting it up right now. I think he'll be just little more intense playing for Ozzie, on a playoff team - he got much better after going from Texas to Florida last year. By 6 guys excelling in their roles, I was more or less referring to each guy doing well in his own role...not having 6 guys you can trot out there in a playoff game with the score close. We only have 2 guys out there in the pen who can do that right now, and I can only see us having 5 tops. Jon Adkins, for instance, has been very good in the role he has with the team...mopup. Come in, pitch 3 innings and just keep the score close. He's done an excellent job doing just that. You put him in a pressure situation, and he is worse then Koch or Jackson. I'm not the brightest kid in the world, but I'm not dumb enough to think that you can get 6 quality arms in the pen...especially the White Sox. In fact, I would venture to say that the pen we had last year had more quality arms in it then most in the majors. I have no problem with Urbina. He's a good pitcher and has been very good in the past. I assume other teams would have interest in him, but with his numbers this year, maybe not. Personally, I'm very, very surprised Florida went after Koch before they went after Urbina again. He was very good down the stretch for them last year. Another thing I could see happening is that KW will make another August move or two. I could see him picking up a solid reliever, much like he did last year with Sullivan. I do envision the bullpen having a few OK arms in it...more then we have now anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 If the Sox are going to unload Jackson they could always go with Baj or Majewski. Both have been very promising in AA and AAA respectively. Majewski got roughed up in the spring and started the season rough in Charlotte, but since then he has been fantastic and I've always felt he has the best pure fastball in the Sox system (well up until some of the selections in this years draft). Then you have Baj who like we all know has dominated. What I want to know is, why not give these guys a chance. I know Jackson is notorious for being an incredibly great clubhouse guy, but he's killing the Sox in late games and at this point Marte and Shingo are all the Sox have. Adkins has been good, but seems to be seldom used and Cotts has been in a funk. If the Sox had any what of a surplus of arms, Cotts would be in AAA working out of the rotation because he needs consistent pitching. Him and Adkins really have gone in streaks where they almost never get used and then all of a sudden their out in a big time pressure situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 .Majewski got roughed up in the spring and started the season rough in Charlotte, but since then he has been fantastic and I've always felt he has the best pure fastball in the Sox system (well up until some of the selections in this years draft). Last time I heard, Majewski's fastball topped out at 93-94, I could be wrong though. In any case, as Joe Valentine and Matt Anderson have proven, and as Politte is proving now, you need a lot more than a plus-fastball to succeed in the majors. Majewski was absolutely SMOKED in Spring Training. I'd rather see Baj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 Last time I heard, Majewski's fastball topped out at 93-94, I could be wrong though. In any case, as Joe Valentine and Matt Anderson have proven, and as Politte is proving now, you need a lot more than a plus-fastball to succeed in the majors. Majewski was absolutely SMOKED in Spring Training. I'd rather see Baj. Unless something has changed, he was throwing HARD, 95+ when I saw him pitch. I don't think he ever hit higher then 97, but it was a hard fastball with some movement and he'd go right at him. Don't know if its a good thing or not, but I'd compare his style to Koch, in terms of a gun slinging demeanor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 Unless something has changed, he was throwing HARD, 95+ when I saw him pitch. I don't think he ever hit higher then 97, but it was a hard fastball with some movement and he'd go right at him. Don't know if its a good thing or not, but I'd compare his style to Koch, in terms of a gun slinging demeanor. Does he telegraph his pitches? How is his control? Breaking ball any good? This is major leagues. Last thing we need is a poor man's Koch. I do trust your judgement though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 Does he telegraph his pitches? How is his control? Breaking ball any good? This is major leagues. Last thing we need is a poor man's Koch. I do trust your judgement though. Control could be better and he doesn't really throw much of a brekaing pitch. He has a hard slider. HE may also throw a brekaing pitch on ocassion, but I've only seen him pitch a couple times. Twice in Charlotte and once in spring training. As far as his delivery, it seems pretty smooth and he is willing to go inside, go upstairs with the fastball which I like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 Majewski was absolutely SMOKED in Spring Training. I'd rather see Baj. I'd like to see Baj and his 14.5 K/9IP and his 4.78 K/BB ratio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 25, 2004 Share Posted June 25, 2004 I'd like to see Baj and his 14.5 K/9IP and his 4.78 K/BB ratio. Francis Beltran seems to be faring just fine with nothing more than a 95 mph fatsball, a good change-up and solid control. Why couldn't Baj do even better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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