witesoxfan Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 No way, I would deal Maggs before C Lee Given how worthless all of our prospects turn out every time they come up (Borchard, Munoz, Rauch ...hell even Crede right now etc etc), I have no intention of letting go a proven player we can afford to have for the next few years If we let C Lee go, we should trade everyone including Buerhle.....just rebuild completely from scratch if that is the case See that's the thing...we really can't afford Carlos. He's making $9 mill next year, and for $9 mill, you have to put up .280 30 100 .850-.900 at the very least to be worth it, and for a smaller payroll team like ours, we really need more. If we could trade both Konerko and Lee, I would do it. However, the fact remains that Konerko has shown more power this year then Lee has, and that Konerko has been the better hitter. And CLee is easily replaceable. We can put Rowand in LF, Harris in CF, and Maggs in RF with Gload backing up LF and RF and Perez backing up CF. We can put Harris in LF, Rowand in CF, and Maggs in RF, with the Gload-Perez thing working the same again. We can trade for Steve Finley, and be Rowand-Finley-Maggs from left to right with Gload doing the same and Harris doing Perez's job(among other things...probably play some 2B, play a little LF and maybe even a little 3B and SS now and then too). There are numerous possibilities. Trading CLee is not the end of everything...in fact, it almost makes more sense trading Lee then it does Konerko(makes more next year, plus, we have replacements for LF...we really do not for 1B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 The Score reported it, so you know it will never happen. If the Score told me the sky was blue on a sunny day, I'd be skeptical After Offman made the report, a guy walks into the control room and says "is this real or is he just making stuff up?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 The Score Radio in Chicago is reporting that the White Sox are close to completing a deal that would send Russ Ortiz to the White Sox, and prospects to Atlanta. Stay Posted. i am listening to the score and they throw a lot of ifs in that, not at all sounding, to me, as if anything is close and on the level of accuracy, I rate the score about as well as the national enquirer they are filling air time and if I weren't at someone else's house I'd turn the s*** off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Cut the Score a break. All they are reporting is that a deal is "close" or something, which means they are talking. I bet that much is true. It's nice to have such information that Ortiz is rumored highly right now, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 I may(or may not) get crucified by suggesting this...but why not Carlos Lee? Carlos over Rowand anyday of the week Rowand is younger, less expensive, superior defensively, and can easily replicate Carlos' offensive output. Rowand has a .950 OPS in his last 250 AB's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Carlos over Rowand anyday of the week Rowand is younger, less expensive, superior defensively, and can easily replicate Carlos' offensive output. Rowand has a .950 OPS in his last 250 AB's. Huh? Was this meant to be in green? WOW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Huh? Was this meant to be in green? WOW! Nope --- Take a look at the numbers. AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K AVG OBP SLG OPS HBP Aaron Rowand* 261 85 22 0 13 39 16 38 0.3260.3740.5590.933 4 Carlos Lee 558 173 36 1 23 96 40 72 0.3100.3620.5020.863 5 Give Rowand the AB's and he'll replicate the number that carlos puts up, Cheaper, with better defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Except you said Carlos over Rowand, you made it confusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Except you said Carlos over Rowand, you made it confusing. I guess I did. I knew what I meant. You should be able to read my mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 I wouldn't mind Rowand in a deal, opening the door for Borch. Rowand is the same age as JoBo; is faster on pads, better defensively and has already proven he can hit ML pitching when given a chance to start. He was our hottest hitter coming into yesterday's game. What makes JoBo more worthy of staying? Extra 2 years of ML service? Who's to say he ever plays in the Bigs again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Yeah but no way Rowand is better than C Lee I bet if he gave him the at bats C Lee gets/got, Rowand does not put up those #s C Lee gets the toughest pitches in the middle of the line up Rowand gets the easiest pitches to hit given he is surrounded by dud like Crede and/or Sandy/Olivo most of the time in the line up....pitchers simply attack the strike zone and the heart of the plate to get him No way do I give up C Lee to keep Rowand.....nope never Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxShuf Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 this is like apples and oranges. fact is this trade or any trade is not occuring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Agreed on Lee, if we can ship him out for a quality pitcher, we should do it. It fills a need, and we have a very able replacement in Aaron Rowand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 WTF is this about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Carlos over Rowand anyday of the week Rowand is younger, less expensive, superior defensively, and can easily replicate Carlos' offensive output. Rowand has a .950 OPS in his last 250 AB's. Good to see I'm not the only one. I'm not sure Rowand is a 30-100 guy, but I'm sure he can hit .300, and he can have an OPS of .750-.800(and possibly even .850) over a full season. He has good range in CF, let alone LF/RF, and he has a very strong arm. For under $1 mill compared to Carlos's $6 mill this year and $9 mill next year? Bring on Ortiz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 Yeah but no way Rowand is better than C Lee I bet if he gave him the at bats C Lee gets/got, Rowand does not put up those #s C Lee gets the toughest pitches in the middle of the line up Rowand gets the easiest pitches to hit given he is surrounded by dud like Crede and/or Sandy/Olivo most of the time in the line up....pitchers simply attack the strike zone and the heart of the plate to get him No way do I give up C Lee to keep Rowand.....nope never That's fine if that's how you feel about Carlos. I think Rowand could put up .300 20 70 .750 over a full season...probably not as good as Carlos...but at 1/6th of the price. That's why I make the move. Not that I don't like Carlos, but that I really like Rowand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 C Lee gets the toughest pitches in the middle of the line up Rowand gets the easiest pitches to hit given he is surrounded by dud like Crede and/or Sandy/Olivo most of the time in the line up....pitchers simply attack the strike zone and the heart of the plate to get him Your logic is ass backwards... How often do you hear about a hitter being "protected" by the batter behind him? Do you think the guy who bats in front of Barry sees worse pitches because Barry is up next? Hell no. They don't wanna face Barry, so you see more pitches in the strike zone. Lower in the order, with less protection, it's easier to pitch around a batter. And Pitch around doesn't mean throw strikes. It means give the guy junk to hit because you're not worried about the guy behind him. Rowand see's far more curveballs in the dirt because he's hitting lower in the order(with the exception of the last few days) -- How often do you think a pitcher thinks to himself, "I've got Rowand, Crede, and Olivo due up this inning. I'm throwing straight Cheese" -- I'll guarentee unless that pitcher was Randy Johnson, Mark Prior, or Roger Clemens they didn't leave the inning unscathed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 At this point I'd rather deal Maggs. The Sox offense is producing without him and at least u know u got Lee and Konerko back next year I don't want to see the Sox make any more short term plans. If they are gonna better this team, do it for the short and long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 At this point I'd rather deal Maggs. The Sox offense is producing without him and at least u know u got Lee and Konerko back next year I don't want to see the Sox make any more short term plans. If they are gonna better this team, do it for the short and long term. If they trade Magglio, they better have have a hot line to the D'Backs and bring in Finley, immediately. Otherwise, trading Maggs will be considered white flagging it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bo_chi_sox Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 say we trade mags to atlanta i would want this back Sox get: Russ Ortiz J.D. Drew Chris Retisman 3.65 ERA (Set-up) Braves get: Mags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxShuf Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 BTW the score is reporting Russ Ortiz for Rausch and Sweeney and others. sox are also dealing for Moyer or Meche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bo_chi_sox Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 when was that update?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxShuf Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 930 update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimpy2121 Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 BTW the score is reporting Russ Ortiz for Rausch and Sweeney and others. sox are also dealing for Moyer or Meche the only thing i dont like about moyer is he seems to through the same MPH everytime, his fastball and changeup are both like 86 MPH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxShuf Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 the only thing i dont like about moyer is he seems to through the same MPH everytime, his fastball and changeup are both like 86 MPH. That makes sense, but he does very well at a low speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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