SoxAce Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Are you gonna keep your name? Ya know. A couple other people asked that same question. I said this.. I dunno yet.. I don't wanna turn into the next young gun/motown/Wsox143.. I don't know what I'm gonna do. Cheat suggested changing it to "The Ghost Of Jeremy Reed" DBAH0 "Jeremy Reed's Ghost" Or Whitesoxfan56789's JBorchardfan I'll think about it. It does suck though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Ya know. A couple other people asked that same question. I said this.. I don't know what I'm gonna do. Cheat suggested changing it to "The Ghost Of Jeremy Reed" DBAH0 "Jeremy Reed's Ghost" Or Whitesoxfan56789's JBorchardfan I'll think about it. It does suck though. Oh, I didn't see that earlier. I like the Ghost idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 He might have paid too much - Yahoo.com mlb news: The Yankees had been scouting Garcia for several weeks. The Mariners called New York general manager Brian Cashman on Sunday and said they were prepared to trade Garcia, then called him back and said they had an offer they didn't think could be topped. ``We couldn't match that deal,'' said Cashman, adding that New York's prospects were not as close to being ready for the major leagues as Chicago's are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 I'll chime in as it's my first appearance of the day... When I heard it on the radio, I jumped for joy. I loved it. Then when I got home and found out it was for our "catcher of the future" Olivo, our "untouchable" Reed, and a quality short stop in Morse, my face went from happy/excited to unsure to mad/shocked and confused. Now that I've had time to sink it in, I still have a similar feel. Giving up Olivo is just wrong, period. Plain and simple, its just not right. Giving up Reed is fine by me even though I liked him alot, but should not have been traded considering Kenny said he was "untouchable." Giving up Morse is fine, you give something to get something. With that being said, I love the news. Freddy Garcia to the White Sox made my day when I first heard it, but boy oh freakin' boy did Kenny give up a lot. I might have rather had Ortiz for 20 cents on the dollar, but thats just me. ^^^ The many faces of redandwhite today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighHeat45 Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 It will be interesting to see what hawk says about this. He absolutly loved Miguel but he always supports what this team does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 how about Brandon Inge for our catcher? having a good year. he's on the DL with a broken finger though. anybody know how long he'll be out? I've long been a fan of Inge's and I think we all know that Hawk and DJ like Inge. No clue how long he's on the DL for, but he is a solid player. However, he's young and I don't know if the TIgers would be too interested in dealing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 I've long been a fan of Inge's and I think we all know that Hawk and DJ like Inge. No clue how long he's on the DL for, but he is a solid player. However, he's young and I don't know if the TIgers would be too interested in dealing him. They've been fine having him play in right, left, center, first, third etc. He'll probably continue to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 You said: 1) if we resign Garcia, its a good deal 2) if we win a World Series, I don't care if Olivo is the second coming of Fisk. 3) what'd you expect Seattle to take? A few AA guys, a bag of Starbucks coffee, and some Chicago-style pizza? I would agree with 1 and 2. But I think 3.) should read, if we don't win the division, KW is fired. I think we could have gotten Garcia without giving up Olivo. I mean look at what the Royals got for Beltran?? There was one big difference, their was a bigger market for Garcia. The Yanks, Dodgers, Red Sox and White Sox were all in the picture and I wouldn't be shocked to find out if other teams were. When it came to Beltran no one was really hot and the Royals GM had been saying he wanted to move him immediately. If you ask me, Alan Baird was the fool and in this instance Bavasi was a smart GM. Plus the best pitcher on the market should command more then the best hitter on the market, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 i absolutely hate this so much. No way Olivo should have been traded. Our catcher position now sucks and we have no one even remotely close in the minors. Reed is going to be a stud and we missed out big time on him. I can not believe we gave up both Reed and Olivo. I have not bashed Kenny much but this is horrible. Once again, he wayyyyy overspends. Way to go :fyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 What is means right now is we have no catcher. Agreed? Well Sandy was getting the majority of the starts behidn the plate. Not saying Sandy is great, but Burke will end up replacing Olivo and the fact is Miguel wasn't getting all that much playing time and none of the pitchers seemed to want to throw to him. Ben Davis has the exact opposite rap and I firmly believe he could be the sleeper of this deal a year or two from now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 He might have paid too much - Yahoo.com mlb news: The Yankees had been scouting Garcia for several weeks. The Mariners called New York general manager Brian Cashman on Sunday and said they were prepared to trade Garcia, then called him back and said they had an offer they didn't think could be topped. ``We couldn't match that deal,'' said Cashman, adding that New York's prospects were not as close to being ready for the major leagues as Chicago's are. You're not getting the point. When the NYY$ are involved then you need to read betw the lines. The M's took the SOX offer of better talent & no cash over the NNY$ best offer of less talent & LOTS of cash. So even though talent wise the SOX paid more than the NYY$ could, trades rarely involve only talent. The fact of the matter is Garcia meant more to the SOX than he does to the Yanks & the SOX needed him a lot more right now. Possibly KW's best high-profile trade to date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Ben Davis has the exact opposite rap and I firmly believe he could be the sleeper of this deal a year or two from now. True. I've always liked the potential Ben Davis had/has. He's a big guy, reminds me of Mike Piazza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Possibly KW's best high-profile trade to date. I'm just not seeing it. Freddy Garcia has been about just as successful as Todd Ritchie in his career yet we give up twice as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 True. I've always liked the potential Ben Davis had/has. He's a big guy, reminds me of Mike Piazza. ya but havent people talked about Davis' 'potential' for several years now??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 I like Garcia having 4 starts w a platoon of Alomar/Burke/Davis over the next 2 weeks against the Twinks, cub, Angels, & M's then I do Rauch+Diaz having 4 starts w a platoon of Alomar/Olivo/Burke. That's what this trade means right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 ya but havent people talked about Davis' 'potential' for several years now??? Exactly, but we've all seen players come into their own later on in their careers. i.e. my avatar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 i wonder if Seattle will call up Reed then to get him some experience? I'm still disgusted with this. KW better get Garcia to an extension or this will become worse than the Ritchie trade. I can see Olvio and Reed being perennial future all-stars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Exactly, but we've all seen players come into their own later on in their careers. i.e. my avatar ya but that's because Minnesota didnt use Ortiz enough. I know, sometimes it takes a while but more often than not when it takes that long nothing ends up developing. Plus, the idea of our cathers being Alomar/Davis/Burke is sickening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 I'm just not seeing it. Freddy Garcia has been about just as successful as Todd Ritchie in his career yet we give up twice as much. What in the world are you using to measure Garcia? Todd Ritchie has never had a top 5 ranking! Garcia's 3.20 ERA plus all other measures places him in the top 4 in the AL this year. Possibly #3. Look at his splits. OPS vs (LH 625, RH 669). Do you have any idea how much better that is over ALL other SOX SPers? 2003: OPS vs (LH 848, RH 633) 2002: OPS vs (LH 724, RH 732) 2001: OPS vs (LH 711, RH 524) 2000: OPS vs (LH 854, RH 596) If I were to compare that to Buehrle's #'s you would say Garcia is the best pitcher the SOX have had in the last 4 yrs! Yes, he's that much better & the SOX are getting him at his peak!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 ya but that's because Minnesota didnt use Ortiz enough. I know, sometimes it takes a while but more often than not when it takes that long nothing ends up developing. Plus, the idea of our cathers being Alomar/Davis/Burke is sickening Yes sir. If Davis does nothing over his first two weeks, I'd go back to the trading market for a catcher. With all this salary being added, why not Jason Kendall?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChiSox_Sonix Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 With all this salary being added, why not Jason Kendall?! I dont think i'd allow KW to trade with Pittsburgh when it comes to major leaguers, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Not too happy about trading Reed, Olivo. EDIT by Showtime: Sox get: Garcia, Ben Davis and cash Mariners get: Olivo, Reed, and Michael Morse. Trade = Overpaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 This might make you feel better ... http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb...s_mlb&fext=.jsp It doesn't hurt that manager Ozzie Guillen, a fellow native of Venezuela, is one of the right-hander's closest friends. But for Garcia, friendship has very little to do with what happens on the field. "When we are on the field, that's all business," Garcia said. "They've got a pretty good team. With how they are playing right now, they've got a good chance to make the playoffs." Williams believes there's a good chance in retaining Garcia as a free agent after this season, with the help of Guillen and a few other pieces of inside information that the White Sox general manager did not divulge. He also mentioned that if a move is out there that still will improve his team, then the maneuvering has not come to a close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 I dont think i'd allow KW to trade with Pittsburgh when it comes to major leaguers, lol Kendalls a great hitter, Pittsburgh is willing to pay alot of his contract, why not? Only 30 years old, signed for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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