DBAHO Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 From Phil Rogers, In about the seventh inning Sunday, Reinsdorf gave his blessing to a bold move by general manager Ken Williams, who borrowed from the future to improve the immediate outlook. The White Sox paid a high price to get Garcia, 28, whose 3.20 earned-run average ranks fifth in the American League. But Williams is 99 percent certain he can sign Garcia to a contract extension that keeps him off the free-agent market. Before the game, a White Sox executive had indicated that it was Garcia, not Atlanta's Russ Ortiz, who was the pitcher most being sought. He indicated that the Sox would ask Seattle for a 72-hour window to sign Garcia to an extension. But according to sources, Williams decided to do the deal with no assurances when Seattle expressed a willingness to take Triple-A outfielder Jeremy Reed, a career .333 hitter, instead of third baseman Joe Crede. In the early talks between the clubs, Mariners GM Bill Bavasi was asking for Miguel Olivo and Crede. As much as Williams coveted Garcia and his 76-50 career record, he wasn't going to give up two regulars. Having hit .287 with 11 homers at Double-A Birmingham before a recent suspension for violating a team rule, 22-year-old shortstop Michael Morse was throw-in. He was ranked as the Sox's 17th-best prospect coming into the season, but he and Reed both would have been in the latest top 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 I like him not giving up two regulars. I would almost rather had him give up Crede over Olivo though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 That is interesting. So basically it was Miguel and Crede for Garcia, Davis, and cash? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 28, 2004 Author Share Posted June 28, 2004 I like him not giving up two regulars. I would almost rather had him give up Crede over Olivo though. Crede for Willie Bloomquist would hav been ideal in my eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flippedoutpunk Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 I would almost rather had him give up Crede over Olivo though. Definately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 28, 2004 Author Share Posted June 28, 2004 That is interesting. So basically it was Miguel and Crede for Garcia, Davis, and cash? That's what Seattle wanted, KW decided Reed was more expandable instead of Crede though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Olivo>Crede. (Sorry I just like doing that ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Sounds to me like the Sox are gonna try and sign him pretty quickly and if that happens I'll really be stoked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 28, 2004 Author Share Posted June 28, 2004 Sounds to me like the Sox are gonna try and sign him pretty quickly and if that happens I'll really be stoked. It also said in that article that KW was 99% sure he would get Freddy signed long - term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 It also said in that article that KW was 99% sure he would get Freddy signed long - term. Michael was more sure then that that he would never play again. I won't believe it till I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 99% means nothing until its done. I do like the idea that he wanted a 72 hr, that tells me he at least has been given the approval from JR to sign him long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 It also said in that article that KW was 99% sure he would get Freddy signed long - term. That's good news. I hope it's done ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Crede has been consistently a prime-time player in the 2nd half. 2003: pre-AS .692 (he's currently at .744) OPS 2003: pos-AS .892 2002: pos-AS .826 (912 in Sep) 2001: pos +200 better than pre Considering he's nearly +50 over this time a year ago, & then posted +200 better I'm glad Kenny didn't give up Joe yet. He's going to have a big 2nd half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Good news, but not satisfied until it gets done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Folks, the option wasn't Crede or Olivo it was Crede or Reed and personally I think Crede has a lot more upside then Reed and he's already playing at the major league level and has shown flashes of being a Scott Rolen like 3rd baseman. I know he was slumping early on and he still has to shorten his swing, but he has 30 HR power and should hit in the upper .200's while playing GG defense. It does suck that Miguel is gone, but the Sox got a very good frontline pitcher and that is what wins ball games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 I love this trade...yes it hurts to lose MO, but come on guys MO does not hit right handed pitching well .... everyone here knows it In Seattle, his pwer #s will suffer even more in that ball park. I am willing to bet with anyone here that MO will not be an all star ever He will hit 0.250-0.275....I prefer Garcia...that is a stud that can shut down teh darn twinkies and get us to compete against the As and the Yanks And would you rather lose Crede or Reed...yes, Crede has struggled here, but we have many more OFers in our system than 3rd basemen....and Crede will get his act in the second half....we have seen it before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 I'm glad it wasn't, Crede. I know he's inconsistent. But we all know what this guy can do when he gets hot. If he ever puts it together for a full season we've got an all-star. He's already a stud defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 yeah losing reed is a lot better then losing crede.... if we lost crede and olivo then i would of been pissed.... now im sad olivo is gone easily my favorite player besides carlos lee on the white sox but freddy garcia is worth a lot more then olivo......... now what would really piss me off is if we dont resign garcia and he goes back to seattle then i would kill KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 White Sox dictionary Long Term (pitcher): 3 years w/team options Player Dictionary Long Term (pitcher): 4 years w/player options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Sounds to me like the Sox are gonna try and sign him pretty quickly and if that happens I'll really be stoked. Let's hope that one doesn't turn out like when they signed Billy Koch to an extension really quickly..... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 yeah losing reed is a lot better then losing crede.... if we lost crede and olivo then i would of been pissed.... now im sad olivo is gone easily my favorite player besides carlos lee on the white sox but freddy garcia is worth a lot more then olivo......... now what would really piss me off is if we dont resign garcia and he goes back to seattle then i would kill KW Curious ... are you the former HotSoxChick? Your posting style is very reminiscent of hers. I hope so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Curious ... are you the former HotSoxChick? Your posting style is very reminiscent of hers. I hope so! That person said Carlos Lee was a favorite. That is NOT HSC, unless she's throwing out a smoke screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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