Whitewashed in '05 Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 On the way home from work today I was listening to the radio and they were talking about how they still think Jones might be coming to the South Side and Maggs departure but not only that but also the deal involving Johnny Estrada. I wish he could be had because we are in big trouble without Olivo... I also heard KW in the morning on the way to work speaking of the Garcia deal and possibly other deals in the works, he didn't say anything because he said he finds it disrespectful to say he wants to improve a part of the team and disrespecting the players who try hard everyday. However, KW has said in other interviews there is another big deal in the works and I am hoping for some bullpen help along with some kind of good catcher in the majors or a high prospect in the minors. As you guys can see I am still hurting from Olivo's departure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 I agree. If Kenny can somehow manage to get Estrada, Ortiz, and Jones it will be one hell of a deal for the Sox. In fact I don't think it will happen because it sounds too good to be true. Sure we lose Maggs, but that improves our team even more than I could have possibly imagined. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 I agree. If Kenny can somehow manage to get Estrada, Ortiz, and Jones it will be one hell of a deal for the Sox. In fact I don't think it will happen because it sounds too good to be true. Sure we lose Maggs, but that improves our team even more than I could have possibly imagined. CWSOX45 I can assure you if Ortiz/Jones/Estrada are coming to the White Sox we're giving up more than Ordonez. We could be talking Ordonez/Rauch/Rowand/Several Prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted June 28, 2004 Author Share Posted June 28, 2004 I can assure you if Ortiz/Jones/Estrada are coming to the White Sox we're giving up more than Ordonez. We could be talking Ordonez/Rauch/Rowand/Several Prospects Hey for a good pitcher a great OF and a real good rare catcher I would do that deal in a second. Not only that but Maggs could still come back and resign when the season is over. Even Freddy said it himself, Seattle is still a possibility when he becomes a free agent, and just that comment pisses me off more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 I can assure you if Ortiz/Jones/Estrada are coming to the White Sox we're giving up more than Ordonez. We could be talking Ordonez/Rauch/Rowand/Several Prospects Lets do it now. :fthecubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Hey for a good pitcher a great OF and a real good rare catcher I would do that deal in a second. Not only that but Maggs could still come back and resign when the season is over. Even Freddy said it himself, Seattle is still a possibility when he becomes a free agent, and just that comment pisses me off more. When did he say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted June 28, 2004 Author Share Posted June 28, 2004 When did he say that? "Garcia mentioned at the postgame press conference that he would love to return to the Mariners, perhaps as early as next season. " http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...s_sea&fext=.jsp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 "Garcia mentioned at the postgame press conference that he would love to return to the Mariners, perhaps as early as next season. " http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...s_sea&fext=.jsp Maybe I am not reading all this the right way but... Garcia seems likes he doesn't want to be here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 When he gets acquainted with his teammates and pitches at home for the 1st time, he'll want to be here alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 I can assure you if Ortiz/Jones/Estrada are coming to the White Sox we're giving up more than Ordonez. We could be talking Ordonez/Rauch/Rowand/Several Prospects Marte would also be involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted June 28, 2004 Author Share Posted June 28, 2004 Maybe I am not reading all this the right way but... Garcia seems likes he doesn't want to be here. I too get that vibe but you got to understand he's been with that team pretty much his whole career. If Olivo would have wanted to speak to the media as he didn't because of the bad news to him you would have gotten that vibe too from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Yeah Garcia is probably pissed he got traded to one of his best friends and relatives teams. Im sure him and Ozzie are really upset. lol Its called keeping your options open and being a professional. By saying the right thing, he may make himself much more money. "I never want to be back in Seattle" Means 1 less team that might push your price higher. In a bidding war, you need 2 teams, Freddy probably sees Seattle as a good place to drive the market up, but probably wont resign. If he wanted to be a Mariner for life, he would be one. Last I checked in the offseason he was almost nontendered. Hes come along way. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Last I checked in the offseason he was almost nontendered. good point. we could have had him for virtually nothing in the offseason if we wanted to gamble the $$$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted June 28, 2004 Author Share Posted June 28, 2004 Yeah Garcia is probably pissed he got traded to one of his best friends and relatives teams. Im sure him and Ozzie are really upset. lol Its called keeping your options open and being a professional. By saying the right thing, he may make himself much more money. "I never want to be back in Seattle" Means 1 less team that might push your price higher. In a bidding war, you need 2 teams, Freddy probably sees Seattle as a good place to drive the market up, but probably wont resign. If he wanted to be a Mariner for life, he would be one. Last I checked in the offseason he was almost nontendered. Hes come along way. SB Good point... well we'll see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Back then I was one of the few saying Valentin should be traded for Garcia. Now look at what we had to give up... We could of had Guillen and Garcia for very little if we were willing to pay them. Now we had to trade Olivo and Reed. Puts things into perspective. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Some things to think about here. 1. Why would Atlanta want Ordonez, and why would the Sox trade him? They're going for it, I highly doubt they trade arguably their best player. 2. I don't doubt the validity of Andruw Jones coming to the Sox. Can you say prospects and maybe one guy off the roster? They really want to get rid of his contract. 3. If Jones comes to the Sox, he is a similar bat to Ordonez, with the likelihood Ordonez leaves after this year. 4. Why would Atlanta consider trading Estrada? He is what they want, young and cheap. Prediction: Maggs stays. Andruw Jones to the Sox, maybe. We are in an addition mode, not subtraction. Who do the Sox have that is young/cheap? Prospects. Plus guys like Rowand (who has trade value and can play three OF positions, attractive to Atlanta), Harris, Crede, Marte, Rauch, Diaz, Uribe. Not saying those are the guys who will be going anywhere, but don't be surprised if it's at least one of them, plus prospects. If the team goes deep into the playoffs, or even makes the playoffs, they will make a windfall of $$$. Not a lot of risk to the Sox to pick up Andruw Jones and keep Maggs, just their salaries this year, and they might get the Braves to pick the rest of this year up. Think about it people. Sox are going for it. Braves want to shed payroll, $20M by next year if what I read is correct. If Jones comes to the Sox, IMO, it will not be for Maggs. End of rant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted June 29, 2004 Author Share Posted June 29, 2004 Back then I was one of the few saying Valentin should be traded for Garcia. Now look at what we had to give up... We could of had Guillen and Garcia for very little if we were willing to pay them. Now we had to trade Olivo and Reed. Puts things into perspective. SB We really overpaid and I agree for a pitcher in demand as much as he was we had to but you don't trade away your #1 prospect, one of your only real SS propects, and your ONLY catcher with a good upside. Not only with a good upside but with star written all over him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted June 29, 2004 Author Share Posted June 29, 2004 Some things to think about here. 1. Why would Atlanta want Ordonez, and why would the Sox trade him? They're going for it, I highly doubt they trade arguably their best player. 2. I don't doubt the validity of Andruw Jones coming to the Sox. Can you say prospects and maybe one guy off the roster? They really want to get rid of his contract. 3. If Jones comes to the Sox, he is a similar bat to Ordonez, with the likelihood Ordonez leaves after this year. 4. Why would Atlanta consider trading Estrada? He is what they want, young and cheap. Prediction: Maggs stays. Andruw Jones to the Sox, maybe. We are in an addition mode, not subtraction. Who do the Sox have that is young/cheap? Prospects. Plus guys like Rowand (who has trade value and can play three OF positions, attractive to Atlanta), Harris, Crede, Marte, Rauch, Diaz, Uribe. Not saying those are the guys who will be going anywhere, but don't be surprised if it's at least one of them, plus prospects. If the team goes deep into the playoffs, or even makes the playoffs, they will make a windfall of $$$. Not a lot of risk to the Sox to pick up Andruw Jones and keep Maggs, just their salaries this year, and they might get the Braves to pick the rest of this year up. Think about it people. Sox are going for it. Braves want to shed payroll, $20M by next year if what I read is correct. If Jones comes to the Sox, IMO, it will not be for Maggs. End of rant. Man as much as shock I am still in that the sox got rid of so many good players and as we thought an untouchable one as Olivo was... well I now understand that no one is untouchable, anyone could be had for the right price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 We really overpaid and I agree for a pitcher in demand as much as he was we had to but you don't trade away your #1 prospect, one of your only real SS propects, and your ONLY catcher with a good upside. Not only with a good upside but with star written all over him. You guys are assuming the Mariners would have taken Valentin for Garcia. Just because it was floated in the media doesn't make it so. Bavasi held onto him this long, and it was for a reason. That reason was "here is my price, I want a young catcher and either another young position player or a top prospect". That's what has come out after the trade. You guys think the Sox dawdled and/or weren't willing to trade for Garcia earlier. They were asking about Garcia last winter, hell, last year even. They've always wanted Garcia. It had everything to do with meeting Seattle's asking price. Edit: TQ I'm posting for two here, this burden is getting heavy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 I think it also had to do with the Sox willingness to take on salary. It might not have been Valentin for Garcia, but it would of been less than Olivo and Reed. Garcia did the Mariner's good with how well he pitched, it was a gamble on Seattle's part that paid of. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 The fact we gave up Olivo blindsided me. I must admit I never expected that one, but as much as I like Miguel Olivo I have to think more trades are likely. I was maybe even more surprised though when we gave up Koch for a minor league prospect. It shows how much his value dwindled in less than 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 I don't doubt the validity of Andruw Jones coming to the Sox. Can you say prospects and maybe one guy off the roster? They really want to get rid of his contract. If Jones comes to the Sox, he is a similar bat to Ordonez, with the likelihood Ordonez leaves after this year. I agree. Jones wouldn't cost much in terms of talent. Rowand, Rauch, a few lower level guys. The big reason is his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 You guys are assuming the Mariners would have taken Valentin for Garcia. Just because it was floated in the media doesn't make it so. Bavasi held onto him this long, and it was for a reason. That reason was "here is my price, I want a young catcher and either another young position player or a top prospect". That's what has come out after the trade. You guys think the Sox dawdled and/or weren't willing to trade for Garcia earlier. They were asking about Garcia last winter, hell, last year even. They've always wanted Garcia. It had everything to do with meeting Seattle's asking price. Edit: TQ I'm posting for two here, this burden is getting heavy I agree with you Jim. Everything I have read has stated that they wanted a young cather in return. That is why the Yankees and Dodgers were in it until the end. Olivo was just better and more major league ready than those two team's catching prospects. We threw in Reed so we didn't have to give up Crede, which is who they were asking for, and we had a deal. I don't know why everyone thinks that they would have ever settled for anything less than Olivo. You are right on the money with your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Some things to think about here. 1. Why would Atlanta want Ordonez, and why would the Sox trade him? They're going for it, I highly doubt they trade arguably their best player. 2. I don't doubt the validity of Andruw Jones coming to the Sox. Can you say prospects and maybe one guy off the roster? They really want to get rid of his contract. 3. If Jones comes to the Sox, he is a similar bat to Ordonez, with the likelihood Ordonez leaves after this year. 4. Why would Atlanta consider trading Estrada? He is what they want, young and cheap. Prediction: Maggs stays. Andruw Jones to the Sox, maybe. We are in an addition mode, not subtraction. Who do the Sox have that is young/cheap? Prospects. Plus guys like Rowand (who has trade value and can play three OF positions, attractive to Atlanta), Harris, Crede, Marte, Rauch, Diaz, Uribe. Not saying those are the guys who will be going anywhere, but don't be surprised if it's at least one of them, plus prospects. If the team goes deep into the playoffs, or even makes the playoffs, they will make a windfall of $$$. Not a lot of risk to the Sox to pick up Andruw Jones and keep Maggs, just their salaries this year, and they might get the Braves to pick the rest of this year up. Think about it people. Sox are going for it. Braves want to shed payroll, $20M by next year if what I read is correct. If Jones comes to the Sox, IMO, it will not be for Maggs. End of rant. I agree wtih everything you say here except that Estrada is not that young of a player. He is 28. I know it seems like he is younger, but he isn't. However, he is cheap and he is good. That Millwood trade doesn't look so lopsided anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 I can assure you if Ortiz/Jones/Estrada are coming to the White Sox we're giving up more than Ordonez. We could be talking Ordonez/Rauch/Rowand/Several Prospects Thats fine by me, but also expect Juan Cruz to be a part of the deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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