moochpuppy Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 We're not giving up Rowand AND Borchard. It's 1 thing to trade Reed, but another thing to trade 2 more young outfielders. Doubt Pittsburgh would want Stewart, and Mesa always worried me. Benson hasn't been poitching fantastically either. I would use Mesa with Marte as setup to Takatsu. Could you imagine facing Mesa in the 7th or 8th and then facing Takatsu and his 67 mph change-up? We'd see some real bad swings. Benson needs a change of scenery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bartman's my idol Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 I don't care too much about Mesa, Kendall and Benson for Borchard, Rauch and a minor league player or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Jason Kendall Kris Benson Jose Mesa Cash for Jon Rauch Aaron Rowand Joe Borchard Josh Stewart Any deal involving Borchard with an albatross contract like Kendall's would be completely stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 In expressing my concern over losing Olivo yesterday.. I was told not to worry so much about it. The only thing that will be missed will be his arm, and that's not as important in the big picture. That 95% of the game is called from the bench anyways, and all catchers need to do nowadays is squat for 9 innings. Pitching wins. And that this team with Garcia reminded someone of a winning team he played on in Boston.. And BTW Yas.. he said the olive branch will never be big enough. Steff, that is also extremely interesting info, because Mr. Cloak and Dagger on the official site said the Hall of Famer and JR are buddy buddy. More misinformation, wouldn't ya say??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Any deal involving Borchard with an albatross contract like Kendall's would be completely stupid. yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Steff, that is also extremely interesting info, because Mr. Cloak and Dagger on the official site said the Hall of Famer and JR are buddy buddy. More misinformation, wouldn't ya say??? I call it like I know it. Bulls*** and lies. And I'll meet that idiot in front of the Cell any day of the week to walk into Finny's office and shove his BS up his ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bartman's my idol Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 I mean't Borchard, Rauch, and 2 minor leaguers for Benson, Kendall and tons of cash, Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Here is the thing with Kendall ... Do they need a catcher right now? Probably not. Alex said it best, the combo of the three guys should be fine. However, would adding Kendall improve the team? It sure would. If the Sox, for example, peddled Davis and prospects to Pittsburgh and all the finances worked out ok, that definitely improves the White Sox. And that's what Williams has been saying, if he can improve the current team, he will do it. Borchard ... I strongly feel they will not trade him, especially with Reed traded. He is getting better and better at Charlotte and he's the obvious fall back option if Maggs leaves after the season. Maggs ... did anyone see the Tribune today, where KW says he has not talked about Maggs to Atlanta at all, but that he's been speaking to Atlanta? Bottom line, they are talking to Atlanta, but Maggs is not part of the discussion. Many of us were talking about this last nite. It makes no sense for the Sox to trade Maggs, period. The Sox are going for it. If you're going for it, no way do you trade a guy like Maggs. Let next year be next year. IMO, any trades will involve prospects only, and/or someone who is not a "key" on the current roster. You can bet other teams would have an interest in certain young, cheap White Sox players. Rowand? Sure. Harris? Maybe. Marte? Absolutely, but KW is looking to add to the bullpen, not subtract. Rauch? Yes. Diaz? Yes. Those are the types of guys a team like Pittsburgh would want. That's why, right now, the White Sox trade bullets are the minor league guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moochpuppy Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Any deal involving Borchard with an albatross contract like Kendall's would be completely stupid. > Bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 I call it like I know it. Bulls*** and lies. And I'll meet that idiot in front of the Cell any day of the week to walk into Finny's office and shove his BS up his ass. You know what, I would LOVE to see it Steff. I would be extremely happy to be right there beside you to do it, and add my .02 if necessary. You nailed it, lies and bulls***. I really dislike people like that. The heat should be turned up on this guy. He had another situation where some guy told him to come on out and meet him to say "hello" at his season ticket seats. Once again, Mr. Cloak and Dagger said the guy wasn't worth his time. Interesting pattern of that over the past couple years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 He isn't worth it Jim. And those that enable his BS are sad. Put up or shut up. Anyone who wants to question me, meet me at 127 row 25 and I'll pay up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Who are you even talking about, I am totally lost here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Alex, we're talking about the guy who says he's a stockholder. Steff, on one level I agree with you he is not worth it. On another level, it's been a smoke and mirrors game for a long time, and lots of good honest people have been mislead. That is just wrong. I have this weird DNA makeup where, if I see something totally crooked, I like to straighten it out. The heat will be turned up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 On another level, it's been a smoke and mirrors game for a long time, and lots of good honest people have been mislead. That is just wrong. I have this weird DNA makeup where, if I see something totally crooked, I like to straighten it out. So he is full of blue clay (as my dad likes to say). I kinda thought that, but never certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Alex, we're talking about the guy who says he's a stockholder. Steff, on one level I agree with you he is not worth it. On another level, it's been a smoke and mirrors game for a long time, and lots of good honest people have been mislead. That is just wrong. I have this weird DNA makeup where, if I see something totally crooked, I like to straighten it out. The heat will be turned up. Got ya, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 So he is full of blue clay (as my dad likes to say). I kinda thought that, but never certain. Finny likes to say "full of s***". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Finny likes to say "full of s***". LOL! That's what my dad says now as long as my nephew isn't around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 He even has his adversaries convinced. Quite a talent. There are ways of finding out the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 He even has his adversaries convinced. Quite a talent. There are ways of finding out the truth. I take the word of the woman who has day to day dealings with the stockholders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 How about an OPS of 1.402 vs. LHP. How often did Miguel face left handed pitching? How many at bats. Some of these stats people spew out or worthless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 I take the word of the woman who has day to day dealings with the stockholders. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Jason Kendall Kris Benson Jose Mesa Cash for Jon Rauch Aaron Rowand Joe Borchard Josh Stewart f*** no! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 f*** no! Tell us how you really feel!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Tell us how you really feel!! F**k no! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 29, 2004 Share Posted June 29, 2004 Jason Kendall Kris Benson Jose Mesa Cash for Jon Rauch Aaron Rowand Joe Borchard Josh Stewart Change Mesa to Meadows and take out Rowand and I would do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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