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[ZoomSlowik]

You know what. I tried to bring in statistical backing. I tried explaining how bad it would hurt us in terms of money. And guys do collapse at various points in their career. When did Valenzueza and Gooden crap out? How are Boone and Giambi doing this year? Past production has little impact on what he is doing now. Yes, I would look at past performance if I was deciding between two similar players, but you can't expect guys to suddenly revert to old form for no reason. If you look at his numbers, he clearly peaked about 5 years ago. He hasn't come close to reproducing that statline since then. Personally, I'm going to trust the experts and people who see him play everyday when they say that he is useless. This is the last time you will see me post on this topic. Terrible trade, would kill the organization for the next two years. You better pray the Cell adds about 50 BA points and 10 homeruns, because if you sign him, he just might be your #3 hitter by the time the contract is up.

[Y2HH]

You know what. I tried to bring in statistical backing. I tried explaining how bad it would hurt us in terms of money. And guys do collapse at various points in their career. When did Valenzueza and Gooden crap out? How are Boone and Giambi doing this year? Past production has little impact on what he is doing now. Yes, I would look at past performance if I was deciding between two similar players, but you can't expect guys to suddenly revert to old form for no reason. If you look at his numbers, he clearly peaked about 5 years ago. He hasn't come close to reproducing that statline since then. Personally, I'm going to trust the experts and people who see him play everyday when they say that he is useless. This is the last time you will see me post on this topic. Terrible trade, would kill the organization for the next two years. You better pray the Cell adds about 50 BA points and 10 homeruns, because if you sign him, he just might be your #3 hitter by the time the contract is up.

Again. I'd rather have Jones than nothing next season.

 

Fact is, even in his little slump here, Jones isn't doing poorly, and he's STILL GREAT in CF. A lot of hitters wish they'd be putting up Jones #'s in a down season.

 

If we listened to guys like you when it comes to players peaking and falling off, we would have let go of Thomas, Crede and Konerko already, because it looked like they had peaked and it was time to give up on them. Oh, thank god we didn't.

[southsideirish]

I think you are missing a MAJOR point here.

 

There is a 99% chance we will NOT resign Magglio.  And you ONLY get draft picks losing a FA if you offer them Arbitration, which we WILL NOT DO, since we cannot afford him.  So no, you do NOT get draft picks.

 

AND, Jones currently is on a sizeable contract that we WANT Mags to take, obviously the Sox CAN afford what Jones is making, since it's in the 12M range, which we want Mags to take.

 

I'd give up the little extra offensive power Mags adds to our lineup (which we have prooven we do NOT need), for the defense we will get in CF.

 

Not to mention, Jones will put up some offensive numbers, not as good as Mags, but again...without Mags we score tons of runs.

The sox will definately offer him arbitration. There is no way in hell Maggs takes arbitration. This next contract he signs will set him up for the rest of his life. The only way he accepts arbitration is if he and the sox are working on a long term deal. Don't for one instance think the Sox won't offer arbitration if it goes that far. That is just ridiculous.

[JUGGERNAUT]

I've said this before so here it is again: any reasonable hitter that comes to the White Sox will see his numbers increase. It's happened time & again. It's becoming a proven track record under KW.

 

Jones is due to make 13 mil through 2007. KW can get ATL to eat some of that & prob drop his cost to about 10 mil a yr for the SOX. His 5 GG & the status of being the best defensive CFer in the game is worth probably 6-7 mil. Every Braves pitcher is on record as saying Jones as greatly helped their ERA with his ability to record outs that others simply can't.

 

But there is a big hangup with this one. KW must do his homework & make every evaluation possible to determine that Jones is healthy. There were some reports he may not be. We don't want a reverse damaged goods scenario.

[JUGGERNAUT]

A little wakeup call for the Boss:

"The decision won't change the way Hart does his job. He so badly wants to win this year that he inquired about the availability of Diamondbacks pitcher Randy Johnson.

 

If the Unit is going any where it's likely Texas. They have the young players to get that deal done.

[ZoomSlowik]

I lied. One last comment. Jones is not even close to the best defensive centerfielder anymore. Talk to anyone and they'll tell you Torri Hunter. Most of them will probably give you Beltran too, and I believe Juan Pierre beat him out for the Gold Glove last year. If he gets off his ass and stops loafing he might fit in with this group, and his knees have been bothering him a bit. As for the comment that they can afford him because they are offering that kind of contract to Maggs, there's a slight problem there. If they resigned Mags, he would clearly be there #3 hitter for the next few years. With him in the lineup, you're not as worried if Frank either has an off year again or decides to retire, or if Konerko or Lee don't hit. With Jones on the roster, it's an issue. He's a much better fit as a #6 hitter. If things don't go right, you gotta move him up, which will hurt their O because he is a one dimensional hitter. He's not a very good tablesetter or a clutch hitter. His average with 2 outs with runners in scoring position is .206, and his close/late average is .216. Current production aside, they're eventually going to need Maggs' offense. As for the whole hitters' park thing, it only started getting ridiculous this year, so you don't have a whole lot of basis for comparison. Konerko just had a terrible year last year and started straightening it out late, so I don't think you could credit his output to the park, and as I said, Lee is hitting less and Uribe is hitting better than he did at Coors, the best hitters' park in the league. Even if it did/does have a major effect on a player's production, it only could potentially affect half the games, and pitching matchups and slumps are going to eliminate a good number of those. And no matter how good a hitters' park it is, a .270 hitter having his worst year to date in average and power isn't going to suddenly hit over .300 with 40 homers. Now I'm done.

[JUGGERNAUT]

Again it all depends on cost.

2004 RPG 5.24

2003 RPG 5.94

2002 RPG 6.53

2001 RPG 4.93

2000 RPG 6.99

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Avg RPG 5.93

 

That's good for 5th on the SOX this year. Better than Lee.

If Lee is worth 7/8 mil then isn't Jones worth 9/10 mil in CF?

 

Maggs has not been missed because of this:

Konerko 7.17

Jose Valentin 6.99

Juan Uribe 5.92

 

Koney has performed at about a level equal to Maggs avg RPG.

Val has performed better than Koney's avg.

Juan has performed better than Lee's avg.

Lee has performed better than Val's avg.

 

The biggest difference is Val. Since giving up SH he's raised his RPG by better than a run a game.

[Sox It To Em]

I would easily do this trade. Let's face it, Maggs is not going to be here next year, whether we like it or not. At least if we trade him we'll get a solid addition to our starting rotation and a gold glove center fielder instead of nothing.