SI1020 Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 Sirotka was my favorite starter on that 2000 team. As far as "shouldergate" goes, what did KW know and when did he know it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 Sirotka was my favorite starter on that 2000 team. As far as "shouldergate" goes, what did KW know and when did he know it? I highly doubt KW knew Sirotka was injured. He is obviously aware that players have to be healthy (or if injured, the team you're trying to work a deal with have to know about it) in order to trade them. And had he known the extent of Sirotka's injuries, he would have been afraid to try to sneak one by the league and Jays for fear of being a laughing stock. Secondly, even if KW DID know about the injury, that must mean that Sirotka knew as well and kept his mouth shut about the whole thing. Do you think he would sit by and let the team that was trading him RIP OFF another team? I don't think so. KW didn't know anything. The Jays (obviously) didn't know anything. And Sirotka didn't know anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted March 6, 2003 Author Share Posted March 6, 2003 It took me a long time to console byself that Siro was gone Well, I missed Mike too -- but he didn't pitch all of 2001, so what good would he have been us? I don't know how he's doing now, but I don't think he'll ever return to what he once was. We got rid of him just in time. And that is why I was never one who b****ed avout the trade and blamed KW either for trading away Siro. It was a draw or we came out slightrly ahead in that we got what 5 victories out of D Wells and they got 0 out of Siro. And whatever D Wells is credited with teaching MB. And we also came out ahead in shipping away Scott "What me hyper?" Eyre. I also don't think that KW knew that Siro was damaged. Just my hunch that a new GM is not going to try and pull fast ones right out of the gate. So even for not blaming KW, D Wells is still a giant asshole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 I highly doubt KW knew Sirotka was injured. I agree simply based on the discovery of all of the torn labrums after "Shouldergate." KW may be a stooge, but I really think he had no clue that Sirotka's sore are was due to an injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted March 6, 2003 Author Share Posted March 6, 2003 Well, I missed Mike too -- but he didn't pitch all of 2001, so what good would he have been us? I don't think Sirotka has pitched at all at the ML level since 2001. And he won't pitch major leagues in 2003. Last I heard he had a contract with that minor league N Side team. So if pitches at all this yhear - IF - he'll be in cubbie blue and we all know that is not major league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 It was a draw or we came out slightrly ahead in that we got what 5 victories out of D Wells and they got 0 out of Siro. And whatever D Wells is credited with teaching MB. And we also came out ahead in shipping away Scott "What me hyper?" Eyre. Well, that's what I was thinking earlier until I realized that we probably lost a lot of money (since I'm sure David's contract was a lot more than Sirotka's), and we didn't get much for it. But, 2001 was a complete waste, so it's not that big of a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 And he won't pitch major leagues in 2003. Last I heard he had a contract with that minor league N Side team. So if pitches at all this yhear - IF - he'll be in cubbie blue and we all know that is not major league. Well, according to a diehard sCrUB fan of mine, it looks as if Siro may be the number 5 starter behind a rotation of Wood, Clement, Prior, and Zambrano. I think that Scott guy will be their number 5, but, keep in mind, I was talking baseball with a Cub fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 I also forgot to add that my sCrUB fan friend said that a rotation of Wood, Clement, Prior, Zambrano, and Siro would be the best in baseball. He tried to compare it to the Braves rotation at the height of their 90's success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted March 6, 2003 Author Share Posted March 6, 2003 you need better friends! The only cubs fans I ever spoke to were my parents, and only because I had to. But I never listened! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 I also forgot to add that my sCrUB fan friend said that a rotation of Wood, Clement, Prior, Zambrano, and Siro would be the best in baseball. He tried to compare it to the Braves rotation at the height of their 90's success. Well, that would be a pretty good rotation actually. Certainly not comparable to the Braves of the early 90's IMO, but definitely among the best in baseball (as long as Siro was healthy and Wood was fully recovered). Tell your friend to deal with reality and stop thinking about what might have been. And also point out to him that if Sirotka was healthy, the Cubs would never have acquired him. The Cubs only have him because the elite teams (the ones with money) don't want him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 According to a story in the March 3rd Kalamazoo Gazette - D Wells claimed (in the galley proofs of his new book) that 40% of all ball players are on sterioids and that he was drunk when he pitched his perfect game. However, he has since backtracked and admitted exaggerating the drunk claim and added his steriod use estimate was off. The book's co-author (you didn't think D Wells could actually write a book by himself, did you?) said the steriod estimate may be pulled from the actual published book - a sure sign that Wells has nothing to back up his claim at whatever %. The guy is a blowhard and a braggert and a liar who lives to make himself look big. Never liked him, never was happy with him, never will like him. maybe we should wait till jose cansecos book comes out to compare notes on the roid thing huh.............does dave name names??? because jose's supposedly does........its due out end of march..........lol....... D Wells has always had diarrhea of the mouth. Like CWsox said he's a braggert..... and braggert's always exaggerate. Given the choice between believing D Wells or J Canseco, I'd believe Canseco. But, didn't Canseco say in an interview last year that 99% of MLB players are on some type of steroid? Maybe they're both egomaniacs and nothing they say should be believed. i just want to see that list so i know who to watch and see if they grow any during the season lol........ Have you seen how much smaller ShamME is now that he is willing to take a steroid test..... or is it just me? heres the real reason shamme is lookin a bit thin this year.. his pockets are a little lighter..........lol lol lol lol............... Sosa sues Illinois over taxes Wire services Mar. 4, 2003 12:00 AM Sammy Sosa is suing the Illinois Department of Revenue over a $45,000 tax bill from 1998, saying he already paid taxes on the income in California and other states. The Chicago Cubs star paid the amount demanded by Illinois but sued the state in May. Sosa's lawsuit is pending in Cook County Circuit Court, along with a companion action filed by former Chicago White Sox star Albert Belle. Sosa missed his third straight game Monday with a tight quadriceps muscle but may play today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 you need better friends! C'mon Vince..... I need a little bit of comedy in my life. Guido's tired, always used quips aren't funny after awhile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 Well, that would be a pretty good rotation actually. Certainly not comparable to the Braves of the early 90's IMO, but definitely among the best in baseball (as long as Siro was healthy and Wood was fully recovered). Tell your friend to deal with reality and stop thinking about what might have been. I agree..... that rotation would be in the top 10 of MLB..... IMO. But you got the gist of my response to him..... while the rotation looks good, no way you can compare it to the '90's Braves at their height. If I tell my friend "to deal with reality and stop thinking about what might have been," he'd turn into a Sox fan. After all, the aforementioned is all a Cub fan has to hold onto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 Top 10 bulls***....they'd have to hope everything went right, and then it would be 7 or 8 at best. I believe Wood, Clement and Prior will all be good....Zambrano, regardless of stuff, will put up a season where he wins 10-12 games with a 4.50 ERA, and the #5 starter will suck(regardless of who it is). At this point in the game, I like our rotation over the Cubs rotation.....Buehrle and Colon are atleast equal to, if not better than Wood and Clement, Garland and Prior are pretty equal, though Prior will probably be better, Wright is probably going to be better and throw more innings than Zambrano, and Rauch and whoever the Cubs use in their #5 slot(whether it be Sirotka, Cruz, or Estes) will be atleast equal....and I suppose Rauch could probably be better....quite easily too. When you are 6'11" and you have real good stuff....you got a good shot at winning some ballgames. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 When you are 6'11" and you have real good stuff....you got a good shot at winning some ballgames. Well, since he's breaking the height barrier for pitchers, we'll have to wait and see how a 6'11 guy can fare in the majors. Hopefully for the Sox (and us) he will pass with flying colors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaSoxRox Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 When you are 6'11" and you have real good stuff....you got a good shot at winning some ballgames. Well, since he's breaking the height barrier for pitchers, we'll have to wait and see how a 6'11 guy can fare in the majors. Hopefully for the Sox (and us) he will pass with flying colors. Yeah, he still hasn't proven that he can win at this level....his control, is a concern, in my opinion, and I wonder if they are tinkering with his release point trying to get him to throw more strikes.... It will definately be interesting to see over the next few weeks....Rauch will need to put up some solid innings to over take Loaiza or Heredia....it just seems like JM is making alot of comments over the past couple of days about the advantages of being a veteran....ect, ect....somehow, if feel Rauch has to almost beat these guys by a wide margin to get the spot.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 When you are 6'11" and you have real good stuff....you got a good shot at winning some ballgames. Well, since he's breaking the height barrier for pitchers, we'll have to wait and see how a 6'11 guy can fare in the majors. Hopefully for the Sox (and us) he will pass with flying colors. I've seen how a 6'10" guy(Randy Johnson) fairs in the majors. I'm just assuming Rauch will be able to put up good numbers...but not necessarily RJ numbers. And with the curve ball he has...and it coming from his height....it is wicked. And his fastball looks faster coming from higher up as well...and I believe he also knows how to use the stuff he has effectively(like Buehrle)....I'd look for him to be a surprise this year(assuming he makes the roster)....maybe put up a 10-10 4.00 year or something to the extent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted March 7, 2003 Share Posted March 7, 2003 Hmmmm ... I wonder if Tyson Chandler wants to pitch this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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