Quote from Kenny

[southsideirish]

Im not saying that I knew anything. Im saying that Davis sucks right now and Estrada was a touted prospect in the Millwood trade. He is having a great year, if we get Kendall, Davis wont even have the opportunity to have a great year. Im sorry you misunderstood what I said. 

Estrada was 28 freaking years old at the beginning of the season. Ben Davis was also a highly touted prospect when he was with SD and traded to SEA. Give me a break.

[southsideirish]

Apparently the Braves felt he could be an impact catcher or they wouldn't have traded Millwood for him.  I have a buddy who's a big Braves fan.  He couldn't wait to see Estrada with the big club this year.  Drafted him in our fantasy league with a mid round pick.

I'm not saying the Braves didn't see it coming. They obviously traded for him for a reason. That is like saying the Sox see something in Davis. I understand your point, however, I don't think you get mine.

[ZoomSlowik]

I do not want Jones on this team, especially not if we are going to give up anything valuable. He may be a good defensive centerfielder, but how much of a difference would he really make over Rowand? maybe 3 catches a week, tops? Plus he is hitting .250 and his power isn't so hot. Besides he is notorious for being a cancer to the team and taking plays off. If we give up Mags, Sox fans and the media will never forgive us for it. Eventually we are going to need Maggs' bat, our current guys won't hit like this forever. Why would we trade our best player when we are trying to win a series?

[southsideirish]

Let me add this. Estrada sucks defnsively.

 

Pass Balls 5

Stolen Bases Attemted 47

Stolen Bases Against 38

Caught Stealing 9

Caught Stealing Percentage .191

 

That sucks!!! This is possibly the worst in all of MLB. It is worse than Mirabelli and all he does is catch knuckleballer Wakefield. This is worse than Piazza.

 

Could this be another reason why they want to trade him?

[baggio202]

I do not want Jones on this team, especially not if we are going to give up anything valuable. He may be a good defensive centerfielder, but how much of a difference would he really make over Rowand? maybe 3 catches a week, tops? Plus he is hitting .250 and his power isn't so hot. Besides he is notorious for being a cancer to the team and taking plays off. If we give up Mags, Sox fans and the media will never forget us for it. Eventually we are going to need Maggs' bat, our current guys won't hit like this forever. Why would we trade our best player when we are trying to win a series?

if we were trading maggs for jones straight up then theres no way you do that deal..but youre also getting russ ortiz..this is a guy that going back to 99 has won:

 

18

14

17

14

21

 

games each year..and this year already has 8 wins

 

he is right in the middle ofhis prime at age 30 and is 95 - 57 , 3.95 era lifetime..he is also 3-1 in post season play

 

its not like he is a throw in

[beck72]

I don't think anyone on the Sox present roster [except from the bullpen] is going to be moved, and that includes Maggs. Or at least they shouldn't. It would mess too much with the chemsitry of the club. After Miguel was traded, that should be enough. Too much tinkering could mess up the success they are having.

 

With the Sox in 1st, they need to add without subtracting. Getting a guy like Kendall wouldn't subtract a thing from what the Sox have accomplished. Just like getting a bullpen guy to replace the ineffective Mike JAckson wouldn't hurt the club.

[ZoomSlowik]

They would make us take Jones with Ortiz, and it isn't worth it. Ortiz was the worst 21 game winner ever last year. He got a ridiculous amount of run support. He was okay. He really sucked in the playoffs, I'm pretty sure his career playoff ERA is over 5. He walks way to many guys, and his ERA is bound to go up. First, he is moving from what is often considered a pitchers' park to one of the better hitters' park. Second, he is moving from the NL to the AL, meaning he has to face a real hitter instead of the pitcher, and has to face better lineups in general. Anyone remember Chan Ho Park? He was an All-Star on the Dodgers, took the money in Texas and sucked for the last few years. Ortiz is going to take the same route. Besides, do we really need to give up Maggs for a #4 starter and a #6 hitter?

[southsideirish]

if we were trading maggs for jones straight up then theres no way you do that deal..but youre also getting russ ortiz..this is a guy that going back to 99 has won:

 

18

14

17

14

21

 

games each year..and this year already has 8 wins

 

he is right in the middle ofhis prime at age 30 and is 95 - 57 , 3.95 era lifetime..he is also 3-1 in post season play

 

its not like he is a throw in

He also walks 4 batters per 9 innings. You still want him?

[baggio202]

He also walks 4 batters per 9 innings. You still want him?

im suppose to disregaurd all his positives because he walks 4 batters per 9 IP???

 

sox starters are averaging about 3 walks per 9 innings..thats only one more walk per start..plus all our starters have given up more hits per IP except for garland..every year since 99 ortiz has given up less hits than IP

 

the positives outweigh the negatives..

 

btw..didnt realize that garland was our only starter that has given up less hits than IP..shows he is throwing alot of quality innings..good job jon!!!

[CWSOX45]

They would make us take Jones with Ortiz, and it isn't worth it. Ortiz was the worst 21 game winner ever last year. He got a ridiculous amount of run support.

I disagree. You said Ortiz was the WORST 21 game winner ever...first of all I don't care how much run support you get, if you win 21 games at the Major League level you can help any team.

 

Second of all, you're right that he got a ton of run support last year. Which is exactly why he would be a perfect fit here with the Sox. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't we leading the league in runs scored? Not to mention the fact that Atlanta's offense has struggled, especially guys like Chipper and Andruw Jones.

 

 

Sure he may have a high E.R.A. for the playoffs, but hey he has been there before. How many starters on our team besides Garcia can say that?

 

I say pull the trigger, a rotation consisting of Garcia, Buehrle, Loaiza, Ortiz and Garland is solid.

 

Do it Kenny.

 

CWSOX45

[CWSOX45]

Let me add this. Estrada sucks defnsively.

 

Pass Balls 5

Stolen Bases Attemted 47

Stolen Bases Against 38

Caught Stealing  9

Caught Stealing Percentage .191

 

That sucks!!! This is possibly the worst in all of MLB. It is worse than Mirabelli and all he does is catch knuckleballer Wakefield. This is worse than Piazza.

 

Could this be another reason why they want to trade him?

 

Southside Thanks for posting that, I didn't realize he was so bad defensively.

 

CWSOX45

[JoshPR]

We're not gettin Kendall, unless Pittsburgh pays half of his remaining contract which ain't gonna happen. Charles Johnson or Brian Schneider I feel will be the guys we go after.

Say no to Charles Johnson

[ZoomSlowik]

The point is with the run support we have been getting we don't need to get Ortiz. If you are scoring 6 runs a game, does it matter if you let up 3 or 4? Ortiz would basically give us the exact same thing as Buehrle and Loaiza. Before last night's start there was about a .5 difference in the ERA of Buehrle and Ortiz, and s little less between Loaiza and Ortiz. That means that for every 18 innings pitched, Ortiz allows 1 fewer run. Is it worth it for roughly one run every three starts? Not in my book. If we picked up someone of the Randy Johnson stature who is a dominant pitcher with playoff experience, that would be one thing, but he isn't. I would rather have our #3 hitter back then pick up a guy that is basically the same as what we have. He's not a strikeout pitcher and walks a lot of guys, that's not what you need. We already have two guys that can do that.

[southsideirish]

 

Southside Thanks for posting that, I didn't realize he was so bad defensively.

 

CWSOX45

No probelm. I would rather have a combination of Kendall/Benson coming to the Sox.

 

Kendall's fielding:

 

Pass Balls 2

Stolen Bases Attemted 50

Stolen Bases Against 33

Caught Stealing 17

Caught Stealing Percentage .340

 

This is better than Olivo was doing and around wheer Sandy is at. We already know the man can hit and would be a great fit in our lineup as a number 1 or 2 hitter. I would love to get this done.

[Chisoxfn]

Screw Estrada, the amount that it would take to get him would be so un-worth it. The Braves are very high on Estrada and will not deal him unless they get Maggs or Konerko or some other everyday player...case closed.

 

The White Sox just don't have the major leauge prospects that the Braves would want to make a deal. The Braves aren't going to make a deal for lower level prospects or anything along those lines, they'd want guys that can come in and help immediately. He is more "retooling" then rebuilding (Schueroltz).

 

If the Sox want a catcher its gonna be Schneider, Zaun, or Kendall unless of course Maggs is part of a deal in which case I think its very likley you see the Sox get Estrada since they seem desperate to clear payroll (another thing Schueroltz has been told to do) which means they may just have to include a cheap good player in Estrada.

 

However, like SSI mentions, he is absolutely awful defensively.

[Chisoxfn]

No probelm. I would rather have a combination of Kendall/Benson coming to the Sox.

 

Kendall's fielding:

 

Pass Balls 2

Stolen Bases Attemted 50

Stolen Bases Against 33

Caught Stealing 17

Caught Stealing Percentage .340

 

This is better than Olivo was doing and around wheer Sandy is at. We already know the man can hit and would be a great fit in our lineup as a number 1 or 2 hitter. I would love to get this done.

I'm starting to like the idea of Kendall more and more as long as Sox management is willing to take part of his contract and they aren't going to use that as an excuse not to resign some guys next year (lets be honest, I think resigning guys like Garcia and such are more important then having a catcher).

 

However, he's really made great strides defensively this year, calls a good game, has good speed, and can flat out hit the ball and would be a great two hole hitter.

 

He does what Jeremy Reed at his finest would do and from a more diffucult position to get production from.

 

I say Kendall or Schneider (From Montreal). Schneider has been hitting the ball better every month, is still semi young (but gonna be arb eligible) and is a STUD defensively (Throws out about 45% of base stealers each year).

[Wise Master Buehrle]

Ok, back to that quote. I read the article it was from, and that is not a quote from Kenny. It's just the writer speculating.

[hammerhead johnson]

Jason Kendall is a slightly above average defensive player with a 780 OPS, and he makes 10 million per year?

 

:puke

 

I know that he's a charismatic clubhouse figure and all, but it's just not worth it.

 

Brian Schneider's offensive statistics are abysmal. I'll take him for his defense, though. Every American League team can afford up to two easy outs in their lineups if those players save a lot of runs via defense (obviously at certain positions like C, SS, CF, and to a lesser degree, 3B).

 

Estrada is like the equivalent of Mike Piazza behind the plate. Only a fool would neglect defense at the C spot. If KW gets this guy, then I'll pity that fool.

 

Personally, I'd like to get Gregg Zaun for the rest of the year. He has thrown out 40% of runners this year, and has close to an 850 OPS against RHP. That's what I'm talking about.

[Chisoxfn]

Jason Kendall is a slightly above average defensive player with a 780 OPS, and he makes 10 million per year? 

 

:puke

 

I know that he's a charismatic clubhouse figure and all, but it's just not worth it.

 

Brian Schneider's offensive statistics are abysmal.  I'll take him for his defense, though.  Every American League team can afford up to two easy outs in their lineups if those players save a lot of runs via defense (obviously at certain positions like C, SS, CF, and to a lesser degree, 3B). 

 

Estrada is like the equivalent of Mike Piazza behind the plate.  Only a fool would neglect defense at the C spot.  If KW gets this guy, then I'll pity that fool.

 

Personally, I'd like to get Gregg Zaun for the rest of the year.  He has thrown out 40% of runners this year, and has close to an 850 OPS against RHP.  That's what I'm talking about.

Look at Scheiders splits and you'll be presently surprised that minus April, he's actually been a pretty good hitter and if I recall he hit about .290 in June.

 

Of cousre the splits show my argument and who knows how good he really is, but he's supposed to have some offensive upside.

[beck72]

Jason Kendall is a slightly above average defensive player with a 780 OPS, and he makes 10 million per year? 

 

:puke

 

I know that he's a charismatic clubhouse figure and all, but it's just not worth it.

I guess the Sox can't use a .315 hitter who has a .399 OBP, who has a career .419 BA vs Kevin Brown and a .318 BA vs Javier Vazquez? The Sox struggle vs tough RHP, the same type that Kendall has a lot success against.

 

The Sox top of the order will need help in the coming months and into the playoffs [uribe and Harris are not the answer this year]. Greg Zaun may help a little. But not where the Sox need him, for now and the next few years.