Rowand44 Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Counsell will probably become a Yankee though, they'll replace Enrique Wilson eventually. Here's an interesting question. Is Brian Roberts still on the market? At the beginning of the year he seemed to be in a ton of trade rumors but those all died down. Do you guys still think he could be had because I would absolutely love to get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 However, one guy I wouldn't mind looking at is Matt Stairs. KC is well out of it, and I'm sure they'd take practically nothing for him(sort of like Alomar). He f***ing kills RHP. I doubt we will trade for anyone in our division. Even if KCis in last place, not gonna happen.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 You're going to need more than that to get Randy. Look at the prospects we had to give up to get Freddy, and the guys that KC got for Beltran. They are going to want at least two major league ready studs, which we don't have, maybe more since he is signed for two more years and they don't really want to trade him. I would imagine they would demand something like Borchard(Reed would have been more helpful), Rauch, Munoz, and Anderson. I highly doubt this would happen. If they were to deal Randy, the most likely destination would be San Diego, because they have some good prospects and might spend the money. All of the other teams either have money but no prospects(Yankees, Red Sox), prospects but probably not the funds(Dodgers, Twins), or have no need(Cubs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 guys are in it to win, and i wanna be a part of that again...but he could just as easily say that for the Angels, more so the angels in fact. Sox have a better chance to make playoffs than Angels do - Oakland and Boston will be hard to top once Chavez, Nomar and Nixon are fully back, and the respective GM's make the deadline move(s). Also, dude....Getting a World Series trophey to Chicago would make him a legend around these parts, a giant muskateer version of Ditka .......while in Anaheim they already won it in 2002, and the state of California also basked in Oakland, SanFran and Dodger glory in the past. Come on, you big baby, don't exercise the damn clause.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 6, 2004 Author Share Posted July 6, 2004 Here's an interesting question. Is Brian Roberts still on the market? At the beginning of the year he seemed to be in a ton of trade rumors but those all died down. Do you guys still think he could be had because I would absolutely love to get him. It'll be Jerry Hairston Jr. who'll be leaving, not happy that's he being rotated all over the field, I'm sure the O's would want young pitching though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 It'll be Jerry Hairston Jr. who'll be leaving, not happy that's he being rotated all over the field, I'm sure the O's would want young pitching though. That's kind of what I thought, I just remember Roberts name was floating around all over the place before the year started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Robbie Alomar is not going to come here and play as a backup. I don't think it will be as a back up per se. It goes without saying he sits against LHP (starters), but he starts against RHP with Uribe moving to 3B. Rowand and Harris compete for CF position. If Joe Crede has a problem with that, maybe not swinging from his heels and actually coming through in the clutch will help him reclaim his job. All you ask of Robbie is a .370+ OBP (775+ OPS) against RHP along with good defense, instinctive base-running and great bunts. Anything above that would be a bonus. He is cheap, and depth and experience are very important on a team that is basically staking its playoff future (unless you think Sox are gonna go after Vidro and his 9 Mill a year) on Rowand, Uribe, Crede and Harris, 2 of whom cannot hit RHP -- you know, your Pedros, Shillings, Browns, Gordons, Foulkes, Williamsons, Riveras, Mussinas, Contrerases, Lowes and Vasquezes, those RHP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 6, 2004 Author Share Posted July 6, 2004 I don't think it will be as a back up per se. It goes without saying he sits against LHP (starters), but he starts against RHP with Uribe moving to 3B. Rowand and Harris compete for CF position. If Joe Crede has a problem with that, maybe not swinging from his heels and actually coming through in the clutch will help him reclaim his job. All you ask of Robbie is a .370+ OBP (775+ OPS) against RHP along with good defense, instinctive base-running and great bunts. Anything above that would be a bonus. I just can't see Robbie as an utility man though, even though he'll probably play quite a bit. I think if the Yanks make an offer for him possibly in a Randy Johnson deal, he could very easily go there. He would be very nice to hav in the stretch run if the likes of Uribe, Crede and Harris continue to struggle as they have the last week or 2. Personally I think Craig Counsell would be perfect, he hits LHP well, and can play 2B, 3B or SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Robbie is cheap, and depth and experience are very important on a team that is basically staking its playoff future (unless you think Sox are gonna go after Vidro and his 9 Mill a year) on Rowand, Uribe, Crede and Harris, 2 of whom cannot hit RHP -- you know, your Pedros, Shillings, Browns, Gordons, Foulkes, Williamsons, Riveras, Mussinas, Contrerases, Lowes and Vasquezes, those RHP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 I just can't see Robbie as an utility man though, even though he'll probably play quite a bit. I think if the Yanks make an offer for him possibly in a Randy Johnson deal, he could very easily go there. He would be very nice to hav in the stretch run if the likes of Uribe, Crede and Harris continue to struggle as they have the last week or 2. Personally I think Craig Counsell would be perfect, he hits LHP well, and can play 2B, 3B or SS. First of all, why should the Yankees have a crack at Randy Johnson ahead of the White Sox? We have more to offer in prospects, and I thought Colangelo hated Steinbrenner...... Counsell? He makes 3.1 Mill to Robbie's 900 K. Millwakee won't pay a dime while Arizona might pick it up if you throw them a mid-level prospect. With Robbie, there is a possibility that he has a "Robbie" season left in him, while with Counsell 700 OPS is an accomplishment at this point. Robbie is a great bunter, Counsell is average. Defensively and baserunning wise, they're a wash. Robbie is also a bigger name, so if he succeeds, there will be more buzz around your team, the "great comeback" story in the playoffs, etc. Counsell is a nobody. Neither will play much against LHP because Crede, Rowand and Uribe will take 3B, CF and 2B against southpaws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 You never know with these HOF'ers - they might give you an Indian summer of a season - and Robbie is much younger than Barry Larkin or Rickey Henderson (as a Met in 1999), Ripken in his final year or even Biggio this year. I'd love for him to have an unexpected awesome 2nd half for us and then retire. I don't neccessarilty agree with you about getting Robbie back, but I have to give you props for a nice turn of a phrase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 I doubt we will trade for anyone in our division. Even if KCis in last place, not gonna happen.. Why not? We give them a mediocre prospect, they give us Matt Stairs. If that prospect we give up bites us in the ass later on, big deal. The Cubs got a s***load of talent from the Pirates last year in a complete rape job, and they were in the same division. Why could the Sox not do a similar thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Actually, I wouldn't mind having Robbie back. I figured that with his lithe build, track-athlete background, awesome bat control, hand-eye coordination, sound swing mechanics and ever-cool nerves, he would actually age SLOWER than his peers because, unlike, say, Soriano or Patterson, Robbie never relied on pure batspeed/quickness -- which is always the first to go. What happened to him between his great 2001 season and very mediocre 2002 is a total mystery, that's for sure. You never know with these HOF'ers - they might give you an Indian summer of a season - and Robbie is much younger than Barry Larkin or Rickey Henderson (as a Met in 1999), Ripken in his final year or even Biggio this year. I'd love for him to have an unexpected awesome 2nd half for us and then retire. Uribe is just not a 2-hole hitter, unfortunately. For 450 K (which is what is left on Robbie's contract), I wouldn't mind getting him from the D-Backs. He could still get on base versus RHP, can still run a little bit, field a little bit, is a great bunter. An experienced and inexpensive insurence if anything else. Sullivan and Evrettt can kiss my ass, on the other hand. You wouldn't rather have Scott Sullivan in the Pen than Mike jackson, Jason Grilli, Cliff Pollitte, etc? :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 You wouldn't rather have Scott Sullivan in the Pen than Mike jackson, Jason Grilli, Cliff Pollitte, etc? :headshake Mike Jackson is a nothing. Grilli is a nothing as well. Politte has been pitching lights out lately, and I sincerely doubt Sullivan will do much better in our ballpark. Even last year, he was the definition of mediocrity while with us. Sox could use BP help, but not Sullivan or his 2.5 Mill a year salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Mike Jackson is a nothing. Grilli is a nothing as well. Politte has been pitching lights out lately, and I sincerely doubt Sullivan will do much better in our ballpark. Even last year, he was the definition of mediocrity while with us. Sox could use BP help, but not Sullivan or his 2.5 Mill a year salary. Sully was (is) supposed to be great in the clubhouse. 2.5 mill is not a lot of money for an above average reliever...(especially when IT ISN'T YOUR (OR MY) MONEY! We have obvious holes in the Pen (and elsewhere) that need to be addressed if we are going to be serious contenders, not AL Central winners, but pennant/WS contenders. Bottom line is, the Sox have to be willing to spend money to get the type of players we need to contend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 2.5 mill is not a lot of money for an above average reliever...(especially when IT ISN'T YOUR (OR MY) MONEY! First of all, Sullivan is NOT an above average reliever away from Kauffman Stadium, especially when he is thrust into a pennant race - and lord knows, he's padded his stats pitching in low-pressure situation in both Cincinatti and KC. I'd rather slightly overpay for Randy Johnson than to waste money on Sullivans or Russ Ortizes of this world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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