SoxAce Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 SSI - I think you're totally misunderstanding SoxAce. In no way is he cheering for Borchard to fail. In fact, IIRC, he was a huge fan of BOTH Reed and Borchard while they were both still with us. He just thinks Reed should have been kept over Borchard, which I tend to agree with. He still wont get that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 HA HA!!!!!!! But wait, the comparisons don't stop there. Leifer, too, was a 1st round draft pick.......A late bloomer is what people said when he was stuck in AAA. And when Leifer was Borchard's age (26), he actually had an OPS of 833 in the bigs while with the Sox. JoeBo can't even say that. Btw.....you nor other irrational Joe backers have asnwered or refuted the following Who said Borchard has a super-star talent? -His batspeed and hand-eye coordination are nothing special. -Neither his pitch recognition, nor his SZ management are of "superstar" quality. -He lacks nerves of steel of Olerud, Edgar, Boggs, etc. -He has above average straight-line speed, but is only an average base-runner. -His range is nothing special and his arm is good but overrated. -At just 25yo, already can't play a week without a nagging injury paying him a visit. Yes, he is very strong. But so are a lot of people working in any given construction site. What's the EDGE, what's that SOMETHING that will allow him to succeed where 90+ % of ML OF fail and become that star everyone wants him to be? Tell me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Of course, Reed DID have 65 SB's compared to Borch's 2 at that point. Come on now heads, we had the argument all settled, now you opened the door back up for more argument. :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 No, I am understanding him correctly. When he says to He is clearly rooting for one player to hav ae better career over another. He is clearly rooting for a Seattle Mariner over a Chicago White Sox. Man of Steel said the exact same thing. I am understanding both of them exactly the way they want to be understood. Dude you dont understand or you wouldnt be making the foolish comments you are.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 He still wont get that. Oh I understood what you said Come back to me in 3 years and then tell me about their careers (if Boarchard is even in the majors) That is clearly stating you are rooting for one player over another. That is clearly stating you are rooting for a Seattly Mariner over a Chicago White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 No, I am understanding him correctly. When he says to He is clearly rooting for one player to hav ae better career over another. He is clearly rooting for a Seattle Mariner over a Chicago White Sox. Man of Steel said the exact same thing. I am understanding both of them exactly the way they want to be understood. We were COMPARING THEM!!! :dips*** I said nothing about Borchard can just go to hell, he wont do s*** for us. All I was saying is Reed will have a better career. If Borchard proves me wrong I love every minute of eating crow, but like I said for the 20th time IN MY OPINION, Reed>Borchard and will have a better career.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Oh I understood what you said That is clearly stating you are rooting for one player over another. That is clearly stating you are rooting for a Seattly Mariner over a Chicago White Sox. Here try to understand this SSI... I wish we would have traded Borchard insted of Reed because I think Reed will have a better career than Borchard, and be more of an asset to our club.. Edit: I meant WOULD have been a better asset to our club, since he obviously is no longer here I am not rooting for Borchard to suck, I hope he does come around but so far that has not been the case.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Dude you dont understand or you wouldnt be making the foolish comments you are.. THen explain what you mean by your foolish comment about coming back in 3 years and see who is having a better career? Tell me what that means? You are not going to be rooting for Reed to have a better career than Borchard? That is sure what that comment seems to say to me. Explain it, I would love to hear it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Of course, Reed DID have 65 SB's compared to Borch's 2 at that point. In all honesty, I'm trying to forget about Reed. Yeah, he was good, but Borchard can be good too. And I think he will be. Reed will definitely be starting for the Mariners next season I guarantee you, since they will begin the youth movement in the northwest. Safeco Field will be a good park for him to line the ball in, so it'll be interesting to see how he does. What happens with Borch next season will all hinge on what happens with Maggs, if Maggs stays, then the only place I see Borch playing is in LF if we trade Carlos. Of course I still think we should not resign Maggs, get the 2 draft picks, sign a RF to COMPETE with Borch for the RF in spring training, and use the majority of the money to sign an ACE pitcher e.g Matt Morris or Jamie Moyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 OK - I didn't actaully mean they treated Reed like s***. I just think, for whatever reason, they're misjudging what Reed could and would have meant to our future. He was going to be our number one or two hitter in the lineup. We need that, a high OBP/avg guy, as opposed to the power Borchard brings. That's all. I need some sleep. I understand your frustration, I was upset with the move initially as well. I don't think they were just flat out underestimating what Reed can do, KW had a real hard time okaying this trade. It really just boiled down to winning now. We have a window now with Maggs on the team. This is the year to go for it. I think our club will remain competitve throughout the future, but how many times are we going to have a chance at being in a WS. This may be it for a while for all we know, with the talent there. We may not get there, and probability is likely against us, but personally, I would rather know for sure. With our outfield depth and the likelihood of extending Garcia, I certainly understand the move. I don't think anyone here would not want Reed back, but I do understand the move. For better or worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 It wouldn't matter, it's not like Ozzie would play either of them anyways. He's enthralled with Aaron and Timo, and would apparently rather play Gload, a 1B, in RF and carry a 3rd catcher rather than call either of them up. The fact that Gload is playing right gives me the impression that they are not wowed by either of their performances. Besides, if they kept them both, I would think he would eventually call up Borchard, since he seems to like a 27 year old career minor leaguer. However, it seems that both players can at least catch and throw, so that rules them out in right. By the way, Brando, where are you getting that report? Because if it is just your random thought it doesn't really carry any weight, and I can just say you're an idiot(not saying you are, just hypothetically speaking). Obviously several people that are paid to evaluate talent thought there was something there, since he is a first round pick and signed a record bonus. The Sox weren't the only ones that thought he could play, as many people rated him as a top prospect for some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 use the majority of the money to sign an ACE pitcher e.g Matt Morris or Jamie Moyer Carl Pavano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 We were COMPARING THEM!!! :dips*** I said nothing about Borchard can just go to hell, he wont do s*** for us. All I was saying is Reed will have a better career. If Borchard proves me wrong I love every minute of eating crow, but like I said for the 20th time IN MY OPINION, Reed>Borchard and will have a better career.. NOTICE the word BETTER By saying Reed will have a better career than Borchard you are clearly picking sides. You are clearly rooting for Reed over Borchard. You are clearly rooting for a Seattly Mariner ove a Chicago White Sox. No where have I ever said you said Borchard can just go to hell, he wont do s*** for us All I said was that you were rooting for a Seattle Mariner over a Chicago White Sox which in my opinion is very sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 THen explain what you mean by your foolish comment about coming back in 3 years and see who is having a better career? Tell me what that means? You are not going to be rooting for Reed to have a better career than Borchard? That is sure what that comment seems to say to me. Explain it, I would love to hear it. are you insane? Making that comment "Come back to me in 3 years and see who is having a better career" Is to back the statement WE SHOULD HAVE KEPT REED AND TRADED BORCHARD!!!! I was in no way saying I hope Borchard sucks and Reed is god... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Carl Pavano. I've already been dreaming about that. Him, Garcia, Buerhle, Mulder the next year , and Garland as the fifth guy. That would be something, but like I said, it's probably just a dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 are you insane? Making that comment "Come back to me in 3 years and see who is having a better career" Is to back the statement WE SHOULD HAVE KEPT REED AND TRADED BORCHARD!!!! I was in no way saying I hope Borchard sucks and Reed is god... Where are you getting these idiotic statements from? I never once said that you said I was in no way saying I hope Borchard sucks and Reed is god I am clearly stating that you are cheering for a Seattle Mariner over a Chicago White Sox. Go back and read over my statements if you will and you will see that I am not suggesting anything other than that. Damn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Carl Pavano. Exactly, it'll be interesting to see what he does in Florida. Can't see them overpaying for him when they already have Beckett, Willis, Burnett and Penny in their rotation. If Mike Lowell goes though, (wouldn't he nice at 3rd for Crede) they'll have more money to use to resign Pavano, since they can move Miggy Cabrera back to 3rd, and sign an outfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Please dont even bother argueing with SSI. He's done this to more than one person (ask Steff) He'll just keep twisting words and try to piss you off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 NOTICE the word BETTER By saying Reed will have a better career than Borchard you are clearly picking sides. You are clearly rooting for Reed over Borchard. You are clearly rooting for a Seattly Mariner ove a Chicago White Sox. No where have I ever said you said All I said was that you were rooting for a Seattle Mariner over a Chicago White Sox which in my opinion is very sad. Yeah it is picking sides... its saying we think we should have kept Reed.. What has Borchard done to warrant me to think he is going to be a superstar? He hasnt done anything.. I want him to be a good player for us, but so far it hasnt been shown... Neither myself nor SoxAce said we hope Borchard sucks and Reed blows him away in the majors... We both stated we THINK Reed will have a better Career than Borchard as reasoning for why we should have kept Reed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Please dont even bother argueing with SSI. He's done this to more than one person (ask Steff) He'll just keep twisting words and try to piss you off. I'm not twisting your words. I can show you your statement. In fact you can go through and find it yourself. You are in fact twisting my words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Exactly, it'll be interesting to see what he does in Florida. Can't see them overpaying for him when they already have Beckett, Willis, Burnett and Penny in their rotation. If Mike Lowell goes though, (wouldn't he nice at 3rd for Crede) they'll have more money to use to resign Pavano, since they can move Miggy Cabrera back to 3rd, and sign an outfielder. Pavano is definitely the number one guy I want the sox to go after. He's just flat out filthy, just watching him in the playoffs last year you could tell he turned the corner. I'm really interested to see what the market is for Carl. How much do you think he'll get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Yeah it is picking sides... its saying we think we should have kept Reed.. What has Borchard done to warrant me to think he is going to be a superstar? He hasnt done anything.. I want him to be a good player for us, but so far it hasnt been shown... Neither myself nor SoxAce said we hope Borchard sucks and Reed blows him away in the majors... We both stated we THINK Reed will have a better Career than Borchard as reasoning for why we should have kept Reed... No, it is saying that you are rooting for a Mariner player over a White Sox player. That is all that it says. Good luck wtih that. By the way for the hundreth time, I have never said that either of you have ever said we hope Borchard sucks and Reed blows him away in the majors... DAMN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Where are you getting these idiotic statements from? I never once said that you said I am clearly stating that you are cheering for a Seattle Mariner over a Chicago White Sox. Go back and read over my statements if you will and you will see that I am not suggesting anything other than that. Damn! You act like I am going to get mad if Borchard hits a HR, or does something good because I want Reed to be so much better than him.. Bottom line is, I think we should have kept Reed because I think he will have a better career than Borchard, and again, would have really been something we need.. Another power hitter with a low average is NOT what we need... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 6, 2004 Author Share Posted July 6, 2004 I leave for a few hours and my small comment has sparked this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Pavano is definitely the number one guy I want the sox to go after. He's just flat out filthy, just watching him in the playoffs last year you could tell he turned the corner. I'm really interested to see what the market is for Carl. How much do you think he'll get? Well I could easily see him getting over $9 million probably $10 million, IF he continues to dominate and has a great playoff series. Some team in desperate need of pitching (e.g Texas, Baltimore) will make a big offer for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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