LDF Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 when the sox acquired clayton, how much damage did he do in the clubhouse? how bout the damage done with getting ritchie and his losing. you have to add the intangbles that comes with the trade. such as the negative effects the d'angelgo(sp) had with the sox. you mention his attitude but in the same breath you will acknowledge what clayton did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 when the sox acquired clayton, how much damage did he do in the clubhouse? how bout the damage done with getting ritchie and his losing. you have to add the intangbles that comes with the trade. such as the negative effects the d'angelgo(sp) had with the sox. you mention his attitude but in the same breath you will acknowledge what clayton did. I am just wondering, are you capable of typing complete sentences with proper punctuation and correct spelling? It surely would help your credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Durham helped them do what, get beat again in the first round? Again, I could care less about Chris Singleton, we were going to play Rowand anyhow, so we went younger and got a prospect. Fact is we didn't need him, except for the Bible study he did before the game. stick to the facts, chris played 120 games in the last 2 yrs, what has harris done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 with ref to the poster who mention jr as being a cheap owner, besides that, look at what beane has done with the amount of money is alotted to him, and he fleeced kw in a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 I am just wondering, are you capable of typing complete sentences with proper punctuation and correct spelling? It surely would help your credibility. so what, my grammar isn't the best, are we in school. it is a pity that you have to resort to this to make yourself look good. go ahead and make fun or critize me. i have done my best to improve myself in english, and i came from a real bad background. worst than you can imagine, however please let me know when i am in town again and we can discuss this man to man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 when i am talking about trades, i am talking about them at the time of the deal, not in hindsight. if you noticed i mention that the alomar deal in resigning them was a good move. ref to durham, we got nothing compared to who we gave up arbition or fa, we still could have done better in recieving a draft pick. ref to aboz, singleton has batted 280+ in 2 of the last 3 yrs and harris is part timer at best. durham help the "A" in the playoff that yr. and was on the major roster last yr whereas adkins didn't make it until the end of last yr. The A's pick is doing that great right now? We have Adkins who is helping in the pen. I know the A's got back a third baseman Brian Snyder in the draft with that pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 so what, my grammar isn't the best, are we in school. it is a pity that you have to resort to this to make yourself look good. go ahead and make fun or critize me. i have done my best to improve myself in english, and i came from a real bad background. worst than you can imagine, however please let me know when i am in town again and we can discuss this man to man. Threatening someone really makes you look better too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 what gets me is that you are an admin and you do this to a poster who has been loyal to this board?>??? hey is this the way admin act??? didn't we leave wsi for something like this??/ that is really a classless thing for you to do!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Anybody could have won with that Oakland team the way they drafted. Look at the moves he made. Acquiring Johnny Damon and Jermaine Dye from the Royals. That's not working out so well. Damon is gone, and if he didn't have to pay Dye so much he could do more. Trading Koch for Foulke was good, but they didn't exactly win much with him for that one year. How about getting Arthur Rhodes, Erubiel Durazo, and Mark Kotsay, none of those guys are having much of an impact. If it wasn't for their scouting department finding the right guys like Hudson, Mulder, Zito, Chavez, Tejada, and Giambi, that team would suck. Two of the guys he's acquired or signed had a huge impact, and one of them was Koch for that one year before they delt him. As soon as Hudson or Mulder are due a huge payday, we'll see what really happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Threatening someone really makes you look better too... it not a threat, it just a simple fact, see you at the soxfest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 it not a threat, it just a simple fact, see you at the soxfest. Alright, see ya there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Go ahead, I'd love to hear them. Remember the third game of the 2002 season against seattle? The Sox were up by 2 or 3 runs and Keith "Queer as" Foulke gave up SIX CONSECUTIVE SINGLES!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Baggio, everything isn't as black and white as you make it appear. When you grow up and learn to think critically about issues you will understand. The 2000 team was a fluke. It is that simple. As someone else pointed out, look at the rotation from that 2000 team. Sirotka - hasn't pitched 1 inning since the 2000 season Baldwin - is currently pitching in AAA after struggling in the majors over the past couple of years Parque - has since retired after getting light up in a few major league apperanced Eldred - missed almost the entire 2001 and 2002 seasons and is currently a struggling middle reliever for the Cards(5.22 ERA) Garland - is still with the Sox and has yet to live up to his potential KWells - is currently struggling with the Pirates Let that sink in for a second. All you have to do is look at that 2000 rotation, look at where those guys are now, and understand that 2000 was a complete fluke. Here are some names from the bullpen that were key in the Sox 2000 playoff season: Howry - has been struggling in the majors and has spent a good portion of time in the minors. does anyone remember the Howry for Gagne rumors that floated around in 2001. imagine if KW would have been able to pull off that deal. Simas - I could swear that I had a Simas siting in the majors although I can't remember for which team. He has either been injuried or in the minors the past couple of seasons. Lowe - Struggled for the Pirated after being traded there and has been in and out of the majors ever since. Barcelo - Injuries have brought an end to his career. Beirne - Who knows what has happened to him. Pena - Haven't seen him in the majors since. Eyre - Has been a decent reliever in for SF over the past couple of years. Biddle - Is currently the worst releiver in the majors Sturtze - Has been one of the worst starters in the majors over the past couple of years. The only pitchers from that bullpen who are still solid major leaguers are: Foulke - was used to acquire Koch and Cotts Buehrle - KW has locked him up for the next couple of years. Wunsch - Is still in the Sox orgnazation. Bradford - Was used to bring Olivo over, who was used to get Garcia KW kept the top offense intact(Konerko, Valentin, Lee, Thomas, and Maggs). How can the Sox be on the verge of a dynasty when the majority of the pitching staff isn't even in the majors today? Have you ever taken this into consideration? To the rational mind it is pretty obvious that the 2000 team was a fluke. Not even the great Billy Beane could have turned the 2001 team into a winner. For the most part KW kept the same team from 2000 in 2001, so how was it his fault that they struggled. Was it his fault that they showed their true selves? RS knew that the 2000 team was a fluke and got out of a sinking ship on a high note. Was it KW fault that injuries hurt the Sox in 2001? Was it KW fault that the #1 ranked minor league system never developed? You need to come to grip with reality and understand that 2000 was a fluke that KW could not help in 2001. He is responsible for putting the talent on the field giving his limited resources, and he has done a good job of that. The payroll did increase in 2001, but that wasn't from KW signing the top FA. It was from internal raises to make sure that the 95 win team stayed in tact. What would you have done different Baggio since you know everything and have the luxery of seeing how things unfolded? KW couldn't tear apart a 95 win team or he would have been run out of town, so tell me what you would have done all great one. i believe after the '00 ...with a few key additions...(for example - instead of making the wells trade - wells made 9 million a year..siro 2.2 - if we dont make that trade we have 6.8 million to spend in the FA market) we should have enjoyed a run kind of like oakland has had...now i dont know if you consider that a dynasty or not...i wouldnt have said if we were in the east or west..but in our division i dont think its unreasonable to believe we should have won the division the last three years..at least 2 out of the last 3... i understand we got hit with injuries in '01 and that hurts us..i gave KW a pass on that season att but one thing to think about....the injuries didnt really start to hit until may( i believe wells , parque , thomas didnt go down until around the middle of may??)..seemd like after all the injuries were through the team started playing better...had that team played just .500 ball through the first 6 weeks or so they probably make the playoffs inspite of the injuries..cause wernt we something like 17 -34 at one point???...while injuries were key they were not the only reason imo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 OK guys. This is getting a little ugly. Can we reign in the personal stuff? There is no real need for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 OK guys. This is getting a little ugly. Can we reign in the personal stuff? There is no real need for it. Well spelling and punctuation aren't personal to me, but yes, I won't say anything else. Sorry captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Looking bad: Uribe trade What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 OK guys. This is getting a little ugly. Can we reign in the personal stuff? There is no real need for it. it is pretty sad when this site admins revert to belittling the posters. if you disagree with them is one thing, belittling them is another. real classy guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Well spelling and punctuation aren't personal to me, but yes, I won't say anything else. Sorry captain. Don't anyone take it the wrong way. I am not point fingers at anybody. Its just not beneficial at all, and I don't want to see something crazy happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 it is pretty sad when this site admins revert to belittling the posters. if you disagree with them is one thing, belittling them is another. real classy guys Alright, LDF, I shouldn't have said that, but honestly I have always liked you as a poster and I think seriously that a lot of people would take what you post more seriously at times if you used better spelling and punctuation. No malice was intended. I am sorry for what I said and I shouldn't have said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Alright, LDF, I shouldn't have said that, but honestly I have always liked you as a poster and I think seriously that a lot of people would take what you post more seriously at times if you used better spelling and punctuation. No malice was intended. I am sorry for what I said and I shouldn't have said it. class move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Alright, LDF, I shouldn't have said that, but honestly I have always liked you as a poster and I think seriously that a lot of people would take what you post more seriously at times if you used better spelling and punctuation. No malice was intended. I am sorry for what I said and I shouldn't have said it. as a poster and an admin, i don't think too much of you if you have to revert to belittling to prove a point. kind of reminding me of davers from the wsi board. this wasn't the first time i seen you do this. real classy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzietheairedale Posted July 7, 2004 Author Share Posted July 7, 2004 Now that is ridiculous! Shingo, not Politte, was signed to replace Gordon. KW said that himself. If Gordon was resigned we would not have signed Shingo. Would you like to compare those two? Shingo W 4 L 1 SV 3 Blown Saves 0 BAA .157 WHIP 0.82 ERA 1.42 Flash W 2 L 3 Sv 2 Blown Saves 2 BAA .160 WHIP 0.84 ERA 1.66 Gordon is not as good as Shingo and we saved almost 3 million dollars. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Hey dopey southside Look at the comparison I was responding to before you get your green beer in an uproar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 This is getting ridiculous. Politte (2004): 0-2 4.20 ERA Gordon(2004): 2-3 1.66 ERA But why don't you post the last 15 days or so? I mean, that's fair, only using a small portion and all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Give it some time!!?? At the current rate, Uribe will be hitting below the Mendoza line by August 1 and Miles will be hitting over .400! Shot!! and a goal!! Wait - so let me get this straight - Miles will continue to hit .320 while Uribe will slump and slump and slump? Ozzie - you're such a character... As said once by Homer in the Simpsons: "Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you, your moron!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goober Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 has there been an explanation on how the alomar-pacheco deal was a sox loss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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